#639

On another note, the midi switch on the bottom of the 16n is there to choose between TRS-A and TRS-B, right? Which position is which? I have the Berlin AtoV version, but I think it is mostly the same.

#640

Left is Korg/Makenoise, which I think is type a? Meaning right is type b (for Novation/Old Arturia)

#641

Left from looking at the face, or at the back of the board?

#642

Should probably have a step 3 “Slide all the faders to the very top.”

#643

Looking down on the board from above. Original 16n:

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Can’t speak for the AtoV version, I’m afraid.

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#644

yes it should. sorted!

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#646

Hi!
What did people use for the top and bottom visible screws for their 16n? I am looking for a blind 2.5 m screw or hidden type screw in black. Cant seem to find any online right now.

Edit: never mind found some https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M2-M2-5-Black-Phillips-Cross-Countersunk-Head-Machine-Screws-Bolts-50-100-500-/332528658097

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#647

with countersunk panels, I just found 6mm M2.5 countersunk machine screws. Otherwise, 6mm M2.5 machine screws with panheads will do fine.

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#648

Hi for i2c and midi do we need to use stereo jacks or mono ? I got mono in my BOM but the PCB is stereo.

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#649

It needs to be stereo.

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#650

Many thanks :slight_smile: 20 chars

#651

New album title :rofl: …

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#652

Broken trace pad killed the soldering star :star: :radio: :tv:

https://octopart.com/sj1-3523n-cui+devices-106234272 Ps is this the right one or incorrect? Just in case I do have the right one and I’m shooting myself in the foot!

Edit: I just need to learn how to read. It says stereo on the link 🤷 all good lol

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#654

Oh man, I was dorking around for an hour trying to figure this out! Thanks!

#655

I hope this is the right thread to post this question in. I’m looking for a pre-built 16n and looked at the Michigan Synth Works XVI. On the product page it says explicitly that it is not a 16n, so I’m curious if there’s a resource someone can point me to that breaks down the differences?

My immediate goal for this is desktop use and patching the CV outs to various modules, not i2c at the moment. I would also like to connect to my Norns Shield. Does anyone know if the MSW XVI will behave differently in these scenarios than a 16n? If so I can definitely track down a proper 16n.

Thanks so much!

#656

I’m not sure about the XVI, I looked into it too but having to edit the source code to make any configuration seems a bit archaic compared to the browser configurator of the 16n. No idea about the norns compatibility .

How about the atovproject 16n version? If you don’t want to go the DIY route, there is a commercial preassembled version with a case and everything. It’s using the original 16n firmware and therefore works with the configurator, norns etc

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#657

There’s not an explicit resource, but from the notes on the XVI page over at MSW:

  • it’s a dedicated standalone board. There’s no Teensy on it; pretty sure it’s running an Atmel SAMD21 chip, and using the UF2 bootloader, making it behave roughly like an Arduino Zero or Adafruit M0-based dev board. The custom board makes for a slightly nicer positioning of the I2C/MIDI jacks and usb socket, and UF2 means you can upload firmware by dragging a file across to a virtual disk on your computer. (I really like UF2.)
  • there’s a Eurorack compatible faceplate/version
  • the desktop version can still output 0-10V (or -5 to +5) from its CV ports thanks to its circuitry
  • there’s an expander module with more I2C and MIDI outputs
  • it’s not open-source. The hardware is closed-source, and the firmware source code is available but not, from what I can see, explicitly licensed in anyway. It is based largely on the 16n firmware, but you cannot run 16n firmware on it.

It’s based on the 1.3x firmware, so it’s basically everything that happened before the web editor came out. I don’t know if it could ever support the web-editor - there’s no EEPROM by default on the SAMD21, so you need an external flash chip. On my own prototype standalone devices - which is where the web editor came from - I added a flash ram chip, but I don’t know if the MSW board has one.

However, for what you describe, @Zeke_B, it’ll work exactly fine. It’s just “not a 16n” because it’s a different piece of circuitry, and is incompatible with 16n firmware. It’s still 16 faders in a box that emit CV, MIDI, and I2C.

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#658

Thank you for that explanation, I really appreciate it!

#659

(latest version is now 2.1.0; I can no longer edit this thread to change the title, so specific thread for that firmware is now here.)

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#661

I’m back with another noob question. I ordered my 16n from S+A and it arrived yesterday. I powered it up and having a blast controlling QPAS and Mimeophon controls with sliders–too fun! So, with a flashlight I was able to figure out which switch was for MIDI (K or A), and which port was i2c and which was MIDI TRS. My question now, just out of curiosity is what is the switch next to the i2c port for?

I have looked all over the Github page and probably missed this, so apologies in advance for my oversight.

Thanks again!