#89

Those books are good.

Learning is not always a straightforward path. It is sometimes an awkward process figuring out what you don’t know. It’s ok to be uncomfortable or frustrated.

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#90

Apart from checking the frequency ratio of both carrier and modulator oscillator and dialing in the right amount of modulation or a curve of FM depth modulation over time, classic FM tones are mostly done with pretty clean sine waves. While the main purpose of the Mangrove is not exactly delivering clean sine waves, I think.

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#92

I’ve used self oscillating ripples for a clean sine wave, sounds great fm-ing Mangrove, and can be FM-ed itself for even more fun - even try self-patching ripples to its own FM input

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#93

Before you consider an STO, do you have a self-oscillating filter?
will get you a sine wave you can modulate with the Mangrove.

EDIT: @xeric beat me to the punch :sunglasses:

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#94

I’ll have to post a video later, but one thing I’ve had fun doing is having one Mangroves synced to the other, and then FM-ing the barrel output of the first Mangrove with the square output of the second. Then using my slewed sample-and-hold Teletype scene, have formant slowly shift over a couple of seconds on each new note, so I get shifting partials out of both oscillators for a few seconds, creating unpredictable two-note chords and melodies.

Apologies if this isn’t making sense, but I had a lot of fun jamming with this patch the past couple weeks :slight_smile:

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#97

To ‘ping’ Three Sisters, you can send a gate or fast envelope into Quality. This will push the filter to resonate and you’ll hear sound.

Regarding a clean sine, does Plaits do that? Sine waves from digital oscillators should work well.

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#99

Use the low output since that tracks best when feeding pitch cv into the v/8. That’s about it for a sine ping.

Pinging allows you to play the Three Sisters as an self contained oscillator without needing a VCA to lower and raise the volume. It is primitive if just using a gate into it. Nicola Ratti made a whole album pinging filters though.

If you just want to feed a sine into a Mangrove input, turn Quality all the way up and use the Low output if you’re using pitch cv into the Three Sisters.

I’ve had Three Sisters for several years and I’m still finding new things. You don’t have to use it as just a filter or oscillator, but it can be either.

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#100

Could you share some patch examples of this? Which inputs and outputs of Cold Mac are you using?

Thanks!

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#101

If you put it on the edge of oscillation - you can also get some nice sounds by sending gates into the various inputs!

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#102

I use STO with Mangrove all the time…but usually in my patches Mangrove is FM’ing STO, not the other way around (I think I started trying this because @Galapagoose suggested it in another thread somewhere…). Interesting results are possible either way!

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#103

I have a Mangrove and would love another. I just purchased a Cš-L from Instruo and it’s really something. The internal routing, two styles of PWM, sub oscillator, I love it.

And then I saw this and had to try one out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k-7ZCteiAw

Don’t wanna deter anyone from 2xMangroves but thought this might be the right fit for some.

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#104

Just re-bought Verbos Complex Osc. and Harmonic Osc. after selling them last year.
The Verbos analog is a powerful sonically big sound that was missing from my digital etc wavetable VCO’s in my system. I have a Buchla system that I can compare it to for sonic bigness.

Mannequins…I currently have 2 Mangroves, 1 Sisters, 1 Friends, 1 Cold Mac.
Sold ‘w/’ for now, until they iron out the bugs, its unique for sure.

#105

late to this but yes it does. Green3 (FM) with everything CCW will give you a plain ol sine.

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#106

Simple video demonstrating my patch:

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#107

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#108

Woah, thank you! Definitely getting me inspired to get out of my normal patching routine. Thank you so much for this video!

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#110

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#111

I use a 2 x Mangrove setup with my modular most of the time. I’m considering getting 2 more. or even more! (dreams of a tortuous to manage poly-mangrove!). I find the Mangrove is like an instrument unto itself - and one that rewards lots of practice, like any instrument, though moreso than any other oscillator i’ve had.
All that said, the double mangrove doesn’t, for me, function as a complex oscillator. The saw core and formant madness and the design just make it something so different that it makes no sense to me to ask it to duplicate a CO. But now I find myself bored by pretty much any other (analog) oscillator anyway. There’s just so much character and so much to work with once you combine multiple Mangroves, especially with other Mannequins modules.
I recall getting some great results from incorporating an FM Aid into the Mannequins mix as well.
Forget “you can never have enough VCAs.” You can never have enough Mangroves!

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#112

So here we go. Second Mangrove arrived 2 weeks ago! I already have the DPO… 1st things 1st - I will be keep both Mangroves and the DPO no questions asked! They offer lots of colour and have completely different characters as Complex VCO’s. I have had DPO for a few years and know it inside out (no TS-L or HO back then), This is why I didn’t ever change it, I can patch it up and get musical results quickly. Saying that now, When I 1st got the DPO it took time to unleash its potential. It was my first CO and I tended to push it to crazy FM very quickly at first… It took time to find the sweet spots… I feel its more instantaneous to the dual Mangrove setup due to the fact it has lots of attenuators and the FM bus is already normalised… Mangroves have also after a couple of weeks started to open up more and more to me. My 1st few patches here like, Hey this is different… Using cold mac in conjunction with optomix and shifting inverting signal mingler along with QPLFO are working really well for me. I tend to cross patch through the SISM and CM and bring in other modulation sources through these. Wow, Definitely more work that DPO in terms of patching but they all sing well together and provide enough differences to warrant keeping them all! So far 2 Mangroves is a huge thumbs up and here to stay for sure. Im hapy with these, The DPO and also I have a Verbos HO, All unique in there own rights and make for some serious fun for sure!

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