John Zorn - Cobra - On Improvisation (1992)
From a Derek Bailey’s film “On The Edge” (1992)

http://ubu.com/film/bailey.html

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re: AMM, and more specifically, writing about improvisation. I’ve found Eddie Prevost’s writing to be almost impenetrable and not easily engaging. John Tilbury’s playing, on the other hand, is beautiful. The Just Reproach, with Oren Ambarchi (guitar, electronics), is a great example of good Improvisation, imo (of course) - it also helps to recognize when the players themselves are listening, and not talking over one another–babbling, with a total disregard for each other.

Acoustic, electronic, electro-acoustic improvisation etc. doesn’t necessarily need to be tied to an idiom / style / genre / whatever… I think (with music and sound art), a lot of it has to do with listening… it’s fascinating to hear how people react to one another, the choices they make (musical gestures, choosing to not play etc.), and where they end up, sonically. I think people get caught up in predetermined musical language, and it’s refreshing to hear music that doesn’t rely so much on a ‘bag of tricks’, as it does on sensitivity and a “fresh approach”, for lack of a better idea / description.

I was delighted to find a recent, unfamiliar Tilbury recording on Bandcamp - http://konvojrecords.bandcamp.com/album/seagull-sonatas - and I’m happy to report that it’s good.

another favorite (not involving John Tilbury) - http://cathnor.bandcamp.com/album/boring-embroidery - this one’s excellent.

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Thanks for the recommendations - love a lot of stuff on Cathnor (that weird Marc Baron record!), but haven’t listened to this one yet.

Speaking of AMM, I’m currently reading David Toop’s excellent Into the Maelstrom, and it turns out that one of his main sources on the group (and the general period/milieu in which it was formed) is an unpublished dissertation by Seymour Wright, himself a wonderfully enigmatic improvisor. Wonder if there’s any way of tracking that down…

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I think Derek Bailey’s book is still the best on the subject, because, while he had a quite strict aesthetic-ethic to his practice (much like the AMM folks), his book really avoids preaching a certain kind of improv and is more about cataloging the different ways improvisation weaves through different kinds of musics and traditions and letting other voices than his own speak about it.

I could say a bunch of other theoretical thing about improv here… but one of the basic truths about it I’ve found from my own work is: you need to practice a lot. Like anything practice practice practice. People often think improvisers don’t or can’t rehearse (otherwise it’s somehow a composition), while the opposite is true. We need to be playing constantly and in doing train our ears to listen.

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Not wanting to engage in shameless self-promotion here, but I’ve spent the last decade mostly working in an improvisational context with my band Underwater Airport.

Both in the studio and live, we never had any plan before we started playing other than to share a process of mutual listening and exploration with dear old friends.

The purpose wasn’t to be meaningful, rather whatever meaning resulted was found in the doing of it together.

We made some records that I am still happy listening to today.

That’s more than enough to be grateful for, in my book…

(http://www.underwaterairport.com)

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Anyone have a preview copy of the Keith Rowe biography that came out…uh…today? I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts. I just ordered it (and the CAN bio!), but I’m not sure when I’ll get around to reading it. Seems relevant and likely informative for people interested in improv.

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I agree with Charles Cohen in that improv live brings out what can be in the back of ones mind and it’s feelings; peripherals.

It may not have the same meaning to the listener. I think the concepts of personal interpretation is analogous to some psychologocical version of the god Janus.

tradition vs. innovation


The Adventure - On Free Jazz & Ornette Coleman (II of II)

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I’m also starting to slowly incorporate my modular into the jams…

https://youtu.be/2lQnwqnEHDE

watched this a while back… Evan Parker joins in at/around 22 minutes into the clip. it gets pretty frenzied and exhilarating at parts. Parker’s entrance is quite beautiful, too

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https://youtu.be/L3MvGWFocS8
Miles Davis interview with Carlos Santana

https://youtu.be/Lf3sHBpWheE

https://youtu.be/YEHWaGuurUk
Bill Evans - The Creative Process and Self-Teaching

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thx for posting, didn‘t knew Santana did such a detailed interview on Miles

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Rahsaan Roland Kirk was a force live. He took hold of your being. Was in his audience in the mid-70s in Dayton, Ohio. Just wild creativity simply.

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http://www.furious.com/perfect/rolandkirk2.html

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great posts here!
i´ve not read it completly, but i´d like to share a little experience related to this thread.
while reading an interview from a well-known improv artist i know many years ago, he was asked about the meaning of “improvised music”. he answered improvised music doesn´t exist truly, because we´ve been previously experiencing that instrument (practice), or we´ve been taught on how to play it (theory).
i assume he was talking in a figuratively way…or maybe joking, because he´s a formed musicican/player. but taking his words on a daily basis, we´re improvisers since we wake up every morning :slight_smile:

i remember having lots of fun in a improvisation workshop from his partner in sound. we were just a few people using found materials, very simple things made from polyurethane foam, rubber, etc…almost everythin was recycled from rubbish. the place had amazing acoustics, so it helped to amplify the experience. honestly, it was one of the best sound-experiences i´ve dealed with. of course, we had no previous experiences using these materials as “instruments”…i don´t know if there was improvised sound-music-whatever, but it was funny and refreshing to me.

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Found objects are a wonderful way to get musicians of all experience and skill levels to return to beginner’s mind. And so much fun!

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https://youtu.be/pcHnL7aS64Y

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https://youtu.be/ePptcNqXRJA

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