the analog outs need to be enabled not only in pro audio control but also in ableton - preferences > audio > output config

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You’re welcome! I’ve run into similar issues with audio routing in the past :slight_smile:

thanks @level1 and @madeofoak. Got it working. Now on to figure out how to end this unbearable high squeal…

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gentle warning for those still clinging to 9 : (

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at this point they should just tell us what IS compatible with catalina, it’d be a shorter list

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Yea, if I recall Catalina is dropping support for everything 32-bit, so it will break a lot of things…

32-bit is the new headphone jack

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Not only is it dropping support for everything 32-bit (binaries and linking against 32-bit libraries), it also requires ā€œapp notarizationā€. You know how some apps require you to turn off Gatekeeper to run them? Those won’t work anymore either until they are signed.

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I thought those would still let you do the ā€œopen preferences, hit ā€˜run anywayā€™ā€?

yes ! looks like it

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It’s a bit more of a complicated nightmare, especially for plugin developers like me. There’s still a lot of conflicting info about what will run, and the Catalina release is about a month away. From @andrew’s link:

Unverified plug-ins may also continue to work inside DAWs – depending on the DAW you’re using. This means in theory, you’ll be able to install and attempt to use plug-ins, even if they haven’t been updated for Catalina. You would need to override plug-in notarization requirements for the installation from dmg (Disk Image) files, but once a file was installed, a DAW may be able to support it, theoretically. Your mileage may vary when it comes to actual use, however; the advantage of the installer requirement may be that it gives a clue that a developer has tested on Catalina.

PreSonus has just announced for their Studio One DAW that not only will you need to update Studio One itself, but many plug-ins will also need an update. In their case, plug-ins built before June 1, 2019 will still need to be signed (the earlier method of verification for Apple developers). Plug-ins built after that date will need to fulfill Catalina’s tougher requirements – notarization and the hardened runtime.

Is serialosc signed? If not, that will need to be updated for Grid/Arc to work:

Drivers for hardware will hit a hard wall. Unverified drivers will not function on the new OS. This means if you have older hardware that doesn’t have updated drivers and installer, you won’t be able to use it. There’s no ability to override this requirement.

I’m dreading this update as both a developer and a user. This is going to have a massive effect on the Mac audio landscape, and a lot of excellent software is now going to be filed away as Legacy. Unfortunately, we’re going to see this happen all over again once they fully drop OpenGL support.

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Damn this sentence is scary

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I’m running Catalina on my work dev machine, and haven’t hit anything that doesn’t run yet. Happy to test test things if anyone needs. I’ll install serialosc now and see . Serialosc runs in Catalina, just have to right-click run the installer.

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That’s great to hear! What all did you test? SerialOSC and Ableton 10? We’re you running any plugins as well? How about Max8? I’m very excited about sidecar on my iPad when working at my audio desk (which is purposefully a certain distance from my laptop). Which, now that I say it sounds weird, to want a screen of ableton at my work desk that is distanced from ableton, but, yeah…

I’m running Max8 on this machine fine. I just installed SerialOSC and ensured that it’s running in Activity Monitor upon restart. I can double check grid/arc comms tonight though. If the concern is code signing though, tentatively looks good to me. Edit: Checked and was able to run Grainstorm on Catalina with a current model Arc

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Hmmm, that’s cool. I guess my main worry is ableton and softsynths plugins, which is not always the focus of the lines community. Thanks for info!!

Anybody try using CV tools with Expert Sleepers ES-3? I don’t have a DC Coupled interface, and it seems like this would be the most practical way to connect with a DAW…? I have a ADAT connection on my interface so it seems like this would work just fine…?

I was wondering right now, after reading about ā€œblackholeā€ ( https://cdm.link/2019/10/blackhole-mac-soundflower-alternative-catalina/) Does Soundflower work on Catalina?

Not an ES-3, but I have an ES-8 hooked up to my RME Fireface UCX via ADAT, and once I figured out the World Clock was set wrong, it’s been a dream ever since. Works really well.

Well, it does bring in some latency, which I’m trying to resolve now. When I used Ableton’s own External Instrument, it compensated for the latency, but CV Tools doesn’t appear to.

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Alright cool. Have you tried just running it through USB? I’ve been debating between the ES-3 and ES-8. If ES-8 via usb makes up for some of the latency maybe i’ll go that route. Any other features of the ES-8 that you think make it worth the increase in price?