Ableton Live

[Szuumm]

The additional Macro slots and memory are perfect

Agree - would probably have upgraded just for this, tbh.

[lleicamun]

I’m in your exactly same situation, as i’m using Live9 Suite and never uploaded to 10 due to 32 bit needs…
Anyway, reading your post here i’m assuming that if i’ll upgrade to Live10 with the 20% discount they’re offering on the site now i’ll get Live11 for free?
I thought, i don’t know why, it was an offer only for people that would have buy Live10 from “zero” now …
That seems amazing! Please can you confirm it ?!?!?

[Szuumm]

AFAIK you would be eligable:

[papernoise]

@lleicamun this is what I see in the shop, so yes I think you should be fine.

[kirklandish]

I go back-and-forth about selling my Ableton 10 Suite license because I rarely use the features outside of what is in Lite. However, I often consider if learning Suite in more depth would be a good anecdote for GAS. The new update certainly adds a lot of compelling features:

[howthenightcame]

@kirklandish well, that kind of happened to me, somewhat unexpectedly. after upgrading to ableton 10 suite, I slowly realised that I could sell most of my guitar pedals. they more than paid for the upgrade.

looking forward to trying comping in 11 (bad guitar player!!)

[RPLKTR]

Do what you want, it’s your own money. For me, losing Max 4 Live and its bundled instruments and effects (CV tools!) would be a bummer. And I really like Operator and Wavetable.

[xmacex]

I just realized that Monolake published a new album a week ago. I wasn’t sure if Robert Henke’s band was active! The release is on the [ml/i] label and is called Archaeopteryx.

Robert Henke is the co-founder of Ableton with Gerhard Behles who runs the company, and Monolake is the band from which Ableton was created with groundbreaking releases first on Chain Reaction in 1997 and then on [ml/i].

[janglesoul]

@howthenightcame

looking forward to trying comping in 11 (bad guitar player!!)

Tried comping first time yesterday. Really smooth and intuitive!

[howthenightcame]

@janglesoul thanks for telling me. is it CPU heavy?

[janglesoul]

Comping? No, it’s just like recording audio but every take (when you loop an area) is displayed in a new lane

[howthenightcame]

Thanks again. Upgrade here we come!!

[janglesoul]

Have a look at the elphnt-video, he explains how it works (I posted it earlier)

[crunchydrums]

I think I may have been a bit harsh on first assessment. I decided to go for the upgrade and I’ll likely compare my 11 experience to a demo of bitwig and sell my license if I prefer the alternative. None of these updates are too impressive, but granulator II and some other m4L patches are super helpful.

As an alternate consideration, has anyone just used max msp as a daw? The linear DAW environment is comfortable but feeling a restricting/uninspiring at times anyways, much preferring composing on my modular.

[widdly]

Has anyone played with the tempo tracking stuff? Does it actually work? Can it find the 1? It looks like just the thing for jamming with my mate who plays drums but cannot follow a metronome or anyone else really.

[Xylr]

There was a discussion in the plug-ins worth buying thread about how to emulate some of Morphagene’s features and I mentioned that I use Simpler to do this… so I explained how to make it in that thread but I figured I would share a rack in this thread. I’ve never shared an instrument rack before, so please let me know if this did not work:

Morphagenesque.zip

And just to continue the discussion in the appropriate forum, or for anyone who may not be sure if they’d want to use this, I’ll cut and paste my explanation of what’s going on here:

Here is an attempt at trying to describe a process for doing this.

Create an instrument rack (Rack A)

Drop another instrument rack (Rack B) inside Rack A

Drop some samples in Rack B

In Rack B, make sure that all of the Simplers (created when you dropped the samples in Rack B) have the following settings:

-Disable warping
-Disable retrig
-Set decay (to taste)
-Set release (to taste)
-Set number of voices (to taste)
-Enable loop
-Map sample length to macro knob 1
-Map sample start to macro knob 2

Within the Rack B chain list, choose velocity

Select all devices in the Rack B chain and choose ‘distribute ranges equally’

Drop the Fixed 1 preset from the Velocity midi effect in Rack A

Map Rack B Macro 1 (Sample Length) to Rack A Macro 1 (this is your Gene Size knob)

Map Rack B Macro 2 (Sample Start) to Rack A Macro 2 (this is your Slide knob)

In Rack A, map the velocity midi effect’s Out Hi knob to Macro Control 3 (this is your splice control)

Midi notes can function as the positive polarity side of the varispeed control.

This leaves the morph function… which is important! Obviously. It’s called Morphagene after all. What I would recommend here is just trying out some combination of effects and mapping the dry/wet to a 4th macro control in Rack A in order to make up for some lost functionality.

Obviously all of this can be modulated with M4L LFO’s as well.

I hope this helps… and PLEASE if someone has a better approach, let us know!

[janglesoul]

Thanks again! I’ve downloaded your pack but not yet had the chance to try it.

Found the Morphagene manual here.

I find it’s interesting that you can get in the ballpark with some clever racks & chains. Then, if we can’t recreate something 100 % – who cares. We’ll find something else that sounds cool.

As soon as I had read your intial post I couldn’t help to start experimenting. I don’t really know if what I came up with was anything like Morphagene. I just went with a vague reminiscence of Thom Yorke playing a song on a modular and a grand piano.

So I dragged a pianoloop into simpler. Sliced it. Made a “three-octave chromatic chord” in a midiclip and had it feed an arpeggiator followed by a Random-device. Then I added multiple Max4Live LFO-devices and mapped them to various interesting parameters. At the end I put the PitchHack-device and had LFOs alternate its Dry/Wet and Reverse-control. And last a reverb.

Now, I don’t know if it was anything like a Morphagene, but it was at least on the outskirts of my Thom yorke-memory. Sometimes an idea is all we need to get started. And the trip might be even better when we don’t end up where we intended.

[Xylr]

Yeah I think that’s the best approach. Getting exactly the same thing is going to be more or less impossible so it’s best just to take the concept and figure out how you would do it with what makes sense to you and fits your goals.

As a follow on to the rack I posted… some people may want to enter midi map mode on Rack A and adjust the gene size knob’s maximum value.

I have typically just taken a one off approach to making variations on this device as needed… I may spend a little bit more time tweaking it. If I make any significant improvements I will update. And also, I am sure that someone who has a better knowledge of some of this stuff could really improve upon this.

For instance, I don’t know a way to assign the number of voices in Simpler to a macro knob. Does anyone know if this is possible, or know of some workaround to do it? If you assigned the number of voices to the same macro knob as the dry/wet of a pitch shifting effect (or something closer to one of the alternate modes… I never messed much with those), you’d get closer to the actual functionality of Morphagene.

[glia]

hey everyone

i have a few friends that would like to try and i’ve given some of them my surplus licenses…but there are still more people who could benefit from assistance

do you have even a lite license (thru akai, splice or some other promo) you are willing to spare? please dm me for more info

thanks

[electret]

I tried using max as a “daw” but I always feel something is missing / I have to build to much boilerplate to make it really effective. m4l+ableton is a great combo for my way of doing things, as m4l patches don’t have to be anything more or less than you want them to be mad maxmsp patching still has a place in m4l world!