Fully agree. A very important part of playing an instrument is the need to be able to feel for a control, or just rest your hand on it, whether it be a knob or an actual key like on a piano. Touch does not allow for that (yet), it’s basically on/off, and the moment you touch it, it’s already activated.
And I’m not even talking about sloppy/unresponsive performance on touchscreens and all that. I think Ableton knows this, and the Push would be a worse instrument interface-wise if it had a touchscreen.
I might be wrong, though, and perhaps keeping the MPE pads as they are as the playable part of the instrument, and adding touch to the screen for faster menu-diving would also be a good solution.
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FWIW my previous favourite “most-in-all” instrument is Deluge, that relies pretty much on muscle memory with the help of small labels, with a tiny 4 letter display, or a tiny OLED in updated models. On the other hand, I never loved making sound with iPads despite trying. Would love to just get a modern iPad and call it a day due to the whole selection of awesome environments and sounds available, but it’s sort of polar opposite UX-wise, and hasn’t “clicked” so far.
So that’s my major bias, I’m not very fond of even well-executed larger touchscreens for music, not to speak of less than well executed and undersized ones, and because of that I’m certainly happy there isn’t one this particular instrument relies on 
I realize this is something I’ll just have to disagree on with many others. Precise note / automation / audio editing always feels easiest to do using a mouse and a large display so I’ll use a computer for that, whereasbuilding ideas / jamming / performing without worrying about minute details is most fun with something that feels like an instrument (subjective!), with as much “I can play things here, when I press here it does this, and I can do those things pretty much without looking” as possible.
(FWIW I wonder if there should be a separate Push 3 thread so people mainly interested in Ableton as software wouldn’t have to scroll through these? It’s bound to be pretty tedious to split at this point but…)
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I’m a very long time Ableton user and definitely would appreciate the Push convo being spun off!
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Anyone tried using CV Tools M4L devices on Push 3 Standalone?
I notice on this page, all CV Tools are listed as “limited control”, but not sure what that means in practice.
Looking closer at the help pages for CV Tools in the Desktop Live (I’m at work and don’t have my Push with me at the moment), it looks like many of these tools allow custom shapes to be defined (using M4L UI elements that aren’t available on Push), or require mappings to be defined (which you can’t do on Push).
I’m making a little list of Live Desktop features I’d like to be configurable on Push 3:
- Control Mapping
- Follow Actions
I presume Push will honour Follow Actions and Control Mappings defined for a set in the Desktop version. Will have to try that.
As far as I understand, you can still output CV/gate, clock, etc. but you need to configure certain things like output routing on the Live side and save them as a preset, and then you can then use the on standalone.
That’s why the CV Tools comes with a bunch of Push-specific presets (you can browse them on desktop Live), eg. “CV on output 1, gate on output 2” or “clock on output 1” so in most cases you can just use those without having to touch the computer.
Edit: yeah, it’s possible some of the shape controls etc. aren’t there either, but the big omission I saw mentioned before was how the signals are routed to the pedal / CV outputs on Push. I don’t have any other synths around so I could try it in practice - should probably get some cheap CV/gate controllable one just to try things out for fun…
Will have to try those out, thanks for the tip!
I’m planning to use ADAT outputs for CV/Gate control of Euro stuff (just bought a module for that), so I will have to make my own presets on the Desktop version, with CV Tools outputs mapped to ADAT output channels.
It’s not like I never use the Desktop Live software. I do envisage quite a lot of bouncing projects between the two environments is going to be necessary, to compose, arrange and prepare for performance.
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Anyone tried Touchable or Touch OSC on an ipad (over USC-C) with Push standalone? I currently have P2 and the ipad side by side on my desk and they compliment each other wonderfully. I’m guessing not, since it requires a host client running on the computer. Hopefully it’s possible in the future.
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Markus
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Additionally you cannot (currently) install custom remote scripts
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That, along with custom M4L screen and UI API’s, will be a big update, if it happens, then. Fingers crossed.
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It does makes sense for starters (I get the “it’s weird to want a control script to use another control surface for a standalone control surface” reasoning) but it does mean stuff like no ClyphxPro on it, which is so fundamental to me that I’d feel extremely annoyed to not have it in a live context.
Edit: btw didn’t we say we could move the Push Standalone conversation outside of this thread?
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If one of the mods sees this, maybe a thread split should be done (hesitant of pinging people because I don’t know who are active moderators these days…)
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(splitting this thread isn’t really feasible, and there would be far too much crossposting, duplicate posting, and drift between threads. also, whether Push is standalone or attached to a desktop, it’s still running ableton live, and is still on-topic for this thread.)
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I really strongly disagree on the premise but I don’t mind either way. One thing that’s certain though is that this topic might become a little cumbersome for people with no interest in the Push Standalone, but I guess they can filter this out by themselves. Either way, whatever the mods feel is easier for them to deal with is what we should go with.
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Maybe we can focus on Live for change? (I guess that’ll “organically” happen after the worst Push 3 hype is over, and/or Ableton gets their stuff together and fixes the major issues, but…)
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does anyone know if there’s a way to reflect or poll the status of the stock looper plugin? hoping to be able to send light commands to a launchpad x based on whether or not the looper has audio in it, or is actively recording.
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if you don’t mind some max programming, try this as a starting point! i’ve been doing some projects deep in the M4L API so i have a bunch of little snippets like this on tap
(edit: i just realized i made this as an audio effect out of habit, but should be easily pasted into a midi effect device for your purpose!)
looper-state-observer.amxd (22.4 KB)
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I’d be interested to have more infos on both yours and @madeofoak 's devices, as I’m using the looper quite a lot, but quite simply bar a few tricks with Clyphx. To be able to have things happen based on looperstate would actually be super interesting to my live system.
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I have to admit that until the above^ I hadn’t considered this for the Looper device, even though I use that device all the time! I’ve been much too busy rolling up my own quirky and convoluted loopers 
what i have been doing tho is using the above idea to set up “expander” devices that auto-map to specific controls on other devices
for example, something like this next to the stock Shifter device:
- automatically set Shifter Mode to frequency shifter
- tune the Coarse and Fine tuning parameters to note frequencies for easy “harmonious” frequency shifting
definitely intrigued by this idea and eager to explore more—reminds me of expander modules in Eurorack that give you more features out of your system
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I just purchased Polyphylla but I can’t seem to get the spectrum visualizer to work. Not that it is a deal breaker but…
Is yours working well?
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You and I are having the same issue - no visuals. I don’t need it, but I wish it was still visible. I wasn’t looking for visual stuff, but a particular sound, so I’m not too bothered by it. Still! Wish it was there
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