#19

Interesting - even if you turn the knob less than fully counter clockwise you don’t get a noticeable change? That is pretty odd - I’d even suspect it could be an issue with the double knot’s outputs having some DC offset, but you say that it works as expected with the Rise CV so I’m not sure. I’d ask Will his thoughts on this behavior (not sure if he’s watching the thread or not).

And yeah, getting perfect tracking is gonna be tricky with such a wide ranging control - I love microtonal music and unusual EDOs though, so it doesn’t bother me much - try exploring outside the traditional 12-notes-per-octave standard and you’ll be constantly surprised at what you find! :smiley:

Speaking of tuning, what do you all have your Mosstone’s scale tuned to?

I have mine tuned to a tuning called “8EDT”, aka “8 equal divisions of the tritave”. Instead of being octave-repeating as most common scales are, this scale repeats every Tritave (aka Perfect Twelfth), and divides this interval into 8 equal parts. It’s one of my favorite microtonal scales, though technically it’d be considered “macrotonal” since the smallest intervals are larger than a semitone! Here is a little melody I made in 8EDT on my computer so you can hear what it sounds like:

Speaking of, do you think people would be interested if I made a microtonal music thread on lines? It’s a big interest of mine and could be fun! :slight_smile:

EDIT: Btw, if the mosstone does have a stereo output, does it matter if I’m using a mono cable with it? I haven’t heard any issues with the sound quality, and I don’t have a spare stereo cable to spare :frowning:

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#20

I’m in touch with Will about this. The last thing he wrote suggested the synth was working as expected, and there is a DC offset factor. But I did more testing and made a video to show my RISE cv working exactly as expected and my FALL, hardly at all. And… when CV is connected to RISE cv, the knob is bypassed. Not so with FALL cv, so as the CV influence increases the FALL gets shorter and shorter, so, on mine, any significant CV of FALL is all but impossible.
I haven’t heard back from Will, yet.
Your KM works as expected with CV connected to FALL?

#21

Microtonal thread - YES!
I would like to try this tuning with my mosstone as well, how would I start trying to tune it in this scale?

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#22

I’m tuned to dorian. Really into learning more about micro/macro tuning. The concept has been elusive to me.

#23

I’d be surprised if there wasn’t already one. The search engine here is really good. If there isn’t one, there should be one, for sure. I’ve never really experimented with them but having KM, now, I’m interested to try. I’ve been finding ‘untuned’ melodies with DK, recently which I’ve been enjoying, even though they are almost impossible to play along with…

#24

Your KM works as expected with CV connected to FALL?

I’ll have to test this just to verify, but I could swear it did last time I checked! I’ll get back to you on this :slight_smile:

Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the microtonal thread - I just created it, since there doesn’t seem to’ve ever been one, surprisingly! Here it is: The Microtonal Thread

And Dorian is a good choice to start - you should check out trying other diatonic modes, too :smiley: I tuned mine to mixolydian when I got it, and it gave a completely new vibe to the melodies you could get!

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#25

Thanks! It was your KM video that led me to try it out! I also love the idea of making the top bar an octave + a fifth. A really nice way to add more variation.
Are you able to get more than an octave out of your KM keys? I’ve tried a few times and have been unable to, but I’m wondering if having my CV scaling to 1V/Oct is limiting me.

#26

Thanks! It was your KM video that led me to try it out! I also love the idea of making the top bar an octave + a fifth. A really nice way to add more variation.

I’m glad my video was helpful!

Yeah, I really like asymmetrical shifts for the top and bottom bar since it allows for a lot more variety and also gives your melodies a unique flavor :slight_smile:

Are you able to get more than an octave out of your KM keys? I’ve tried a few times and have been unable to, but I’m wondering if having my CV scaling to 1V/Oct is limiting me.

Yes, you can definitely get more than an octave out of the keys, and you’re exactly right - you need to change the CV scaling if you want a wider range for your scales.

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#27

So here’s Keyed Mosstone, played into Norns with the Cranes looper script loaded. A few passes and then a little offset to one side for some sort of phasing. Usual suspects add echoes and reverbs.

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#28

I love your Lorre Mill playlists. Those works and @Allieway_Audio Allie’s vids made me fall for Will’s creations. Thank you both!

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#29

Thanks so much! The @Allieway_Audio videos are what really brought everything together for me. Just incredibly well done. Have fun!

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#30

Really enjoyed the 2019 pieces. Nice work.

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#31

Thanks in 20 characters, Lloyd!

#32

You got really good with the pair. Did you hit a wall with Mosstone? It is a sort of one trick pony, but I really like the trick, mostly…

#33

Not so much hit a wall, as got distracted by other shiny things :slight_smile: my original plan was to go all banana - Ciat Lonbarde, Lorre Mill, Folktek and Serge or Buchla or Phenol (in the short-term). But, financially, I had a hard time seeing the finish line there (as one can imagine). I think there is opportunity on the LM instruments to take them in constant new directions, especially when integrated with other instruments. I really love the tones that come out of both the KM and the DK, and I’m sure they will find their way back to me eventually!

#34

Understood, re - shiny things! I’m TRYING to keep my system compact and to focus on getting the best sounds out of the smallest palette, but… shiny things. I just heard the Bugbrand DRM-2… It would sit nicely next to LM stuff. Plus Will says there’s a new DK soon… Restraint!

#35

oh no doubt there!

good luck with that! :slight_smile:

#36

Thanks a bunch guys, I really appreciate the kind words about my vids, it really is a big motivator to do more!

The Bugbrand stuff seems super fun, and definitely seems like it’d compliment Lorre-Mill nicely. Luckily I don’t have any disposable income right now to be tempted to use (silver lining I guess) :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

And while the Mosstone has a distinctive sound that you can’t get away from, I wouldn’t exactly call it a one trick pony - it has quite a bit of utility as a drone, and as a drum voice, for snares/toms/brushed snare sounds, and can also generate some pretty cool textures and rhythms of it’s own. I’d compare it to something like a cello - there are quite a few extended techniques and ways of playing, but it’ll always sound like a cello! Embrace it :smiley:

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#37

BugBrand and Lorre Mill go together great! I don’t have my DK any more but it was great for driving rhythms with the synthvoice and crossover filter

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#38

Will has been back in touch.
My KM is normal.
The Fall knob/CV set up is not as the manual suggests. The knob attenuates the fall time AND the CV input. Meaning that max CV modulation is only possible for the shortest fall times.
Still not sure if this is a design error/oversight, or a design decision. Hopefully Will will illuminate.
Is it hackable? I’ve asked that question, too.

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