#54

I’m attempting to clock a patch based on the Cycles Pulses, but the time in between pulses is irregular, it comes off sometimes like swing, but it’s a bit more like a stutter. It makes it really hard to drive the Tempi (samples 2 gates to sync), as all of the outputs stutter when it hits an off beat. It happens at any division and at any speed.

It seems like maybe a rounding error or issue syncing with an internal clock maybe? There is almost a pattern too it, but it’s different depending on the speed of the cycle/divisions.

Any thoughts?

#55

I just recently received my Arc and had the same finding last night as well!

I tried sending the pulses to a bunch of different things, but found the pulses to be audibly irregular. Seems like it should be fixable in the firmware as I’ve found the internal clock on Kria to be solid.

#56

I’m trying to do a predictable arrangement using meta sequencing but am having trouble with reset signal only resetting the top row - the patterns.

Am I wrong in thinking that the second row - the divider - should be reset as well?

#57

Just wondering if there is a chromatic scale option?
Or an unquantized scale option?

#58

If you have no scale selected, you get full range 0v-10v. Then once you switch to scaled mode the first option is chromatic

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#59

Amazing!
feel totally dumb asking but how do you unselect a scale?

#60

not a dumb question!
when holding the second of the 2 state buttons on the front panel, the first settings menu will appear on the arc. there you can select scaled sync, scaled unsynced, full range synced, and full range unsynced. i’m probably not using the correct terminology so i will link you to the manual which lays everything out with beautiful diagrams.

https://monome.org/docs/modular/ansible/

also i just realized i was assuming you are using the arc modes (cycles and levels)

#61

Cool! Thanks.
I’m using it with a grid though, is it still the same?

#62

ahh see i’m not too sure as i don’t currently own a grid (not completely true) and therefore have never used the grid mode (not a lie)

check the manual and good luck!

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#63

I see…
I’ve had a look at the manual and it seems to only refer to scales when in grid mode, can’t see an option to remove the scale to work in 0-10v like the arc. I think this is a must have option for grid mode too. Not sure how they would do it due to the number of buttons. Had an idea to use a button twice. Dim = one semitone and Bright = two semitones?

#64

You’re not describing the same thing, though. Levels/Cycles in 0-10V mode is (I believe) entirely continuous. No quantisation whatsoever. By contrast, what you’ve described for Kria/Meadowphysics is still quantisation, only to semitones (which is entirely possible, albeit for a range of eight semitones bottom-to-top).

I think it’s reasonable given the grid is a digital instrument and the mapping of a row to a pitch is fairly consistent in both Kria and Meadowphysics.

(It certainly doesn’t feel like a ‘must-have’ to me: it feels like a maximialist box-ticking feature, rather than a feature which fits with the design philosophies present in Kria).

#65

I understand that.
I guess what I’m trying to get at is I use a lot of the scales in the ornament and crime that involve micro tuning.
Having recently joined the monome realm I’m totally in love with it, I’d be stocked if the two (Kria and Meadowphysics) could play nice with the o&c.
The scale system on grid I’m honestly still getting my head around and having no option to unquatize means double quantizer clash.
I really like to have these two play nice or ultimately just add more scale presets that have the micro tuning ready to go.
As o&c is open source and all the scales are listed in cents and DAC values.
Hoping these could be implemented. I’m sure many would.

I can never go back from monome now and it’s hard letting go of old ways I just believe we could all be if it here.

Ansible Kria Feature Requests
#66

i’m sorry to say i don’t think there’s a good solution to the issue you guys are talking about.

sequencers are by definition “quantized” as they output a series of defined values. even if these values are not semitones they are going to be fixed.

a standalone quantizer like o&c takes full range voltage and outputs the nearest value in its table. but if you give it two totally different voltages that are still closest to one table entry, it’s going to give you the same note. so what i think you’re asking for is for Kria to map itself to assigned o&c table values, which you just can’t do with CV (this is a good i2c use case.)

this is to say, you can’t unquantize a sequencer like you’re suggesting. even if the values are “off” they’ll still be the same amount of off on each trigger.

so, the scale feature isn’t maximalist or feature creep. a less complex (and far far less useful) option would’ve been each step is 1v increments, but that wouldn’t even be useful with quantizers.

the scale builder is not complicated-- it just requires that you consider how scales are built. the bottom row is the root note. if you move this to the right, it will add semitones to the whole scale-- the scale is built incrementally. the next row up from the bottom is the second note. if it’s all the way to the left (0) it will add nothing, hence be the same note. if you set it to 1, then you have a semitone difference upwards. for a chromatic scale, set all the upper notes to 1, so each note increases by one semitone.

and then these scales can be saved and changed quickly. if you’re looking to do microtonal you can use an attenuator (though this would be fiddly, and always reduced-equal-tempered). a truly flexible tuning system would really require some sort of Teletype remote, or direct communication with o&c via i2c

of course, please correct me if i’m making any incorrect assumptions—

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#67

I struggled with getting what I wanted out of ansible scales for a long time before I made the obvious step of making the scales and saving BEFORE going off and messing with everything else. I’ll just have every interval playing ascending as a starting point, then go make some scales and crucially hear what they’re doing in a really clear way, and only then go to triggers and durations and polyrhythms etc. Like I said, sorry if that’s really obvious but it took me a while to arrive at this workflow which I now love. Hope that helps some people.

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#68

I think what you want is to be able to use the Kria sequencer to play the scales in O+C but Kria always outputs an 8 note scale which doesn’t map well to O+C’s microtonal tables. Is this right?

If so, I very simple solution would be to output the CV from Kria to an attenuator or amplifier which scales the voltage output up or down proportionately. This will unquantize the voltages (from an 8 note scale, at least) coming from Kria as long as you don’t set your attenuator or amplifier to unity gain - so literally, almost any setting - so that O+C can map them to any scale you choose without the output always being mapped to notes in an 8 note scale. The notes will still be fixed but at a voltage of the Kria note output x the attenuator/amplifier setting which will not be mapped to any particular scale at all. Think Turing Machine where you are picking the random voltages yourself.

For instance, take your Kria CV output and map it to channel 2 of a MATHS. Set the channel attenuverter knob to something like 3:00. Take the output of channel 2 to your O+C for microtonal quantization. You control the scales in O+C, you control the notes with Kria+Grids, you control the general range with the MATHS channel 2 attenuverter.

If I’ve missed your point entirely, then carry on.

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#69

Hi, im using the Arc and struggling to save different patterns in Levels using the documentation instructions. It saves presets and saves pattern locations fine. I am sure i am doing something wrong but can’t quite put my finger on it. Releasing Key 1 it does save that pattern position but not any new data which remains the same in all positions, no matter which one i read.

Doc info.
Ring 1 and 2 provide read/write functions. The current pattern is shown dimly. If we rotate ring 1 to a new position and release Key 1 we move to that position. Similarly for ring 2, we move to the given position but overwrite that pattern with whatever our current values are set at. It’s a way of copying values between patterns.

Also using levels more i would love to see independent pattern lengths per knob instead of the current global set length. Also in note mode is there a way to remove a note instead of adding a note every step?

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#70

Just wanted to say +1 for Levels independent pattern lengths!

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#71

I had a quick noob question; just received my Monome Arc and Ansible and was wondering if there is any way to determine what firmware version of Ansible I am running? Button combination or LED boot sequence that shows the version number?

#72

I’m also fairly new to Ansible and Arc and I’m having trouble figuring this out as well. In regards to your question about removing notes though, I don’t think this is possible right now (but that would be awesome).

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#73

Thanks for the brilliant workaround, I’ll see how it goes.
Sounds like in theory it should.
Time to go experiment :smiley: