I was wondering if there were any studies or script examples exploring micro-tuning or different intonations? I’m pretty new to norns so sorry if its an obvious question.

at the moment there is no route from TAPE back to supercollider. (nor from softcut to SC.) might add this in future update. (feedback is a danger in second case.)

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i guess the TL/DR is: no, there has been no specific effort to make microtonal studies. but on the other hand there are many norns users who use the device to make microtonal music.

most the synthesis engines you’ll find on norns have been consciously designed to support arbitrary frequency input.

that said, most scripts just use a default midi-12tet conversion. there have been a couple different scala parsers written. here is a microtonal sequencer that understands scala files:

and it is easy to make things that explicitly work with ratios. here is a drone machine that builds up sinewaves as JI ratios, optionally against live-captured fundamental pitches

this uses (a local copy of) the built in JI scale library on norns:

(i find that a dense JI gamut is helpful for more than just scales - for example, timing / loop division knobs.)

one thing on my list of things to do for norns, is add a scala parser and intonation library at the system level, as a drop-in alternative to midi->12tet conversion, so that most scripts that work with midi notes can easily be adjusted to arbitrary tunings.

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Oh great, thanks for the quick response. I’ll take a look at those scripts, very exciting!

An intonation library on a system level would be really amazing! Looking forward to it.

If you do end up looking at Fretwork, let me know if you have any questions about it, since it’s probably all pretty opaque. There’s a separate branch where I’ve been working on a tool for editing scales on the fly (most of that functionality is only accessible through the Lua REPL right now, but I have plans to make it controllable by USB keyboard – in fact the numpad I ordered for this purpose just arrived this morning…)

Also, as part of the scale editor, I wrote this library for manipulating & displaying JI ratios, including translating them to/from Ben Johnston’s notation: https://github.com/synthetiv/fretwork/blob/editable-scales/lib/ratio.lua

Hey,

I was using it quite a bit. Really interesting, I like it a lot. I didnt find it that opaque tbh, its generally pretty clear I think, particularly cause of your description of the script on github.

I have the DIY norns shield and it crashed a couple of times while using Fretwork. Not too sure why but at one stage after a crash supercollider wouldn’t start on norns and I had to reset.
Apart from that I ended up playing it in a sort of a weird way where I would set up a sequence then cycle through scala files in the parameters menu that I made using the sevish scale workshop, sort of treating the tuning systems as sudo-chords widening in pitch. It ended up sounding pretty interesting but I guess its a pretty weird way of using fretwork.

I’ll take a look at the scale editor, thanks for the recommendation.

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Glad to hear you’re using it, and I like the approach of loading different scales – I’m sure the UI for that is hardly ideal, and it would be pretty interesting to be able to choose a set of scales and switch between them using the grid… hmm…

But I’m super sorry about the crashes. If that keeps happening and you notice any pattern to it, please let me know, especially if you find a way to reliably crash it. I only have a factory Norns, so I haven’t tried it on a shield, but as far as I know they should be equally computationally capable. It sounds like you’re using it with PolySub and not Crow or MIDI, right? Is your we library up to date? Before April there was a minor bug in PolySub that could sometimes cause brief audio drop-outs, but I don’t think it would have crashed anything.

Yeah, I’m really enjoying the script. Still getting my head around lua and supercollider (I’m used to using pd and max). I haven’t found a way to reliably crash it consistently yet but I’ll keep on it.

Yeah, I’m using Polysub, but I tried it with the digtone too and it worked really well with it. Yeah, the we library is up to date. I’ll try to get a consistent crash and get back to you.

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Hi, I’m a little perplexed when it comes to Norns. I’ve read a good bit about it already. If I want to connect Norns to my Eurorack system I need the Crow module, correct? And if I want to use it with the Grid I would need Ansible module?

It seems like most of the apps require the Grid. Am I wrong? Thanks!

not necessarily. many Norns sequencing scripts will work with a midi interface - in my case, I often run through Hermod, freeing up my Crow for other fun stuff.

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hey hey! I moved your post here, as it better fit the topic :slight_smile:

crow is the easiest way to, yes. it was designed to speak directly with norns and integrates into the system very easily (in the CLOCK menu of norns, there’s an option to send clock out through a connected crow, for example). but as @Gexex shares, you can use any class-compliant MIDI interface to send data from norns to your eurorack system.

no, grid connects directly into norns through one of its USB inputs. norns speaks fluent grid, arc, HID, and MIDI :slight_smile:

50/50 – lots of apps require grid for full usability, but many do not. barcode, patchwork, and lissadron are just a few quick examples of deep scripts which can be used without grid (barcode + lissadron don’t use grid at all!)

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20 characters of thank you!

@dan_derks thanks so much for the information Dan!

Dan,

Do grid or arc require any power support when used with norms?

Thanks!

not typically, tho wired power is suggested for multi-device sessions. battery will be fine, but short :slight_smile:

some folks run powered usb hubs into norns, which is a good idea if you have a lot of power hungry external control devices. but grid and arc running off the built in hub has never given me trouble.

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Has anyone tried spray painting their Norns to a different color?!

:scream: but the metal surface is so beautiful!
(and I have not tried this @tehn did try some stuff out in the past AFAIK).

spray paint works! a few coats are needed. i haven’t used a sprayed unit consistently so not sure how it’ll wear

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Thanks @tehn i saw you post about the black units you had and wanted one of my own. However since you stated you won’t be selling anymore of those, I am thinking of painting mine when I am finally able to purchase. I love the all black minimal look of hardware.

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Forgive me if this has been asked, but I searched for a few things in the forum and didn’t find anything. Is there a good known method to capture the screen at a high quality for things like live streams, etc?

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