#34

Excellent, better get saving thenā€¦

Will the module offer a different set of IO to what we have at the moment?

#35

Oh, i just realized it will be a non-push editionā€¦ Thatā€™s really too bad and almost vanishes my excitement. The push aspect more than doubles the potential, according to me.

#36

I never actually touched both models to do proper comparison (only nonpush) but Iā€™d have been shocked if they went back to include a feature that was deliberately removed.

A brief quote from the old forum

the reason we switched away from the push encoder is due to the right reject rate of the encoders-- we had a good number go bad in production. and even the ones that work have poor shaft tolerancing (wobble). so while these first ones are useful and appreciated by their users (i think), losing the push was a compromise we were willing to make.

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#37

i seeā€¦ thanks for digging this out.

#38

I am confident that a monome module designed specifically to interface with Arc4 will make an amazing use of the Arc witmhout the need for push-button functionality.

When writing some patchs in Max for the non-push Arc4 I often wished that the push option was there, but with the module counterpart, additional functionality can be built/integrated with the Arc. As in: for example (and totally hypothetically) 4 gate inputs on the module can easily provide what pushing on each of the 4 knobs would have doneā€¦

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#39

@ithkaa fixed the non-push by replacing the function with a quick turn of the knob. There is always a way :slight_smile:

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#40

@kza fixed is a big word ;-). itā€™s a solution to the problem but itā€™s still not the same thing. I would be interested in seeing a new push button arc too but I understand @tehn 's decision. I Donā€™t mind using this workaround as Iā€™ve become quite handy with it. I remember @Rodrigo mentioning another ā€˜fixā€™ over at the old forum (using a small gesture instead of a quick turn if Iā€™m correct). Donā€™t know if he developed it further ā€¦ Perhaps somebody else has an interesting approach?

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#41

The grid sure has a lot of buttons.

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#42

I donā€™t actually remember, but was probably just brainstorming ā€˜workaroundsā€™. Either way, I never did anything with it as I only owned a push-button one.

Once they come out Iā€™ll get an arc4 and just rebuild around that, and Iā€™m sure it will be fine. The pushbutton (along with the early apps) just lent itself to a ā€œstart/endā€ control metaphor, which is only one of infinite ways decoupled control could be mapped.

Iā€™m really curious to see how the euro module treats arc mapping as there werenā€™t that many official arc apps back in the day, and given how creative/slick the mapping of the grid euro stuff is, Iā€™m sure it will be amazing. For TPV2 Iā€™d have to sit down and give a solid think as to how to approach mapping with the arc in a meaningful way.

I hear what youā€™re saying! Youā€™re suggesting we ā€œkill two birds with one stoneā€ and use a grid as the knob, so weā€™re not limited to just binary push+turn input!

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#43

Wait, what? No I really just meant use the grid for buttons and the arc for knobs. The grid can be a kind of low resolution slider, but an arc knob is really a whole other thing than anything the grid can do. But buttons? The gridā€™s got that covered.

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#44

The ideas you are inspiring are dope though!

#45

While this is true for working inside the box, remember that we canā€™t connect more than one device to a module. TT remote certainly could do the trick (yummy, arc module + TT)

That being said, didnā€™t brian say ā€œnew mechanicsā€? Room for speculation thereā€¦

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#46

Heh, was more being ridiculous, suggesting literally attaching spinning grids to the encoder tops. I was actually gonna photoshop a ā€˜grid as knobā€™ thing, but couldnā€™t find a top view of a 128 quick enough.

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#47

Well, he did say new mechanics and non-push so these speculations donā€™t seem to get us somewhere. But I am sure too that the forthcoming arc related module wonā€™t miss the push function either. Turning a wheel and pressing on it to fix, confirm or change mode seems so natural for a controller on one hand - getting over this and work with just turning wheels may be better thoughā€¦

I imagine something like wheel controllable LFOs or sequences that you can give a shove or stop for moment as you would with a turntable.

#48

Missed that part my bad! :slight_smile:

#49

Spinning. Grids.

Kinda want to see that.

#50

i understand the desire for a pushbutton-- a sort of more-is-more feeling. iā€™ve discussed this decision extensively in the past-- the tradeoff for me is a better knob all around, which is the fundamental component of the experience.

there will be general-purpose button/keys on the euro module for modality switching.

there will be new apps for the arc that donā€™t use the pushbutton. they will not be lacking.

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#51

[quote=ā€œtehn, post:50, topic:3168ā€]
there will be new apps for the arc that donā€™t use the pushbutton. they will not be lacking.
[/quote]This will be key

Very curious how this plays out

#52

Really excited to see the arc euro ecosystem fleshed out. The eurorack system really set the bar in regards to usability. Having a plug and play system that allows instant tactile gratification transformed the grid from a beautiful concept to a functioning tool for me.

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#53

I like the idea of instant tactile gratification and I am sure arc can contribute to this conceptā€¦:relieved:

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