#41

The grid sure has a lot of buttons.

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#42

I donā€™t actually remember, but was probably just brainstorming ā€˜workaroundsā€™. Either way, I never did anything with it as I only owned a push-button one.

Once they come out Iā€™ll get an arc4 and just rebuild around that, and Iā€™m sure it will be fine. The pushbutton (along with the early apps) just lent itself to a ā€œstart/endā€ control metaphor, which is only one of infinite ways decoupled control could be mapped.

Iā€™m really curious to see how the euro module treats arc mapping as there werenā€™t that many official arc apps back in the day, and given how creative/slick the mapping of the grid euro stuff is, Iā€™m sure it will be amazing. For TPV2 Iā€™d have to sit down and give a solid think as to how to approach mapping with the arc in a meaningful way.

I hear what youā€™re saying! Youā€™re suggesting we ā€œkill two birds with one stoneā€ and use a grid as the knob, so weā€™re not limited to just binary push+turn input!

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#43

Wait, what? No I really just meant use the grid for buttons and the arc for knobs. The grid can be a kind of low resolution slider, but an arc knob is really a whole other thing than anything the grid can do. But buttons? The gridā€™s got that covered.

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#44

The ideas you are inspiring are dope though!

#45

While this is true for working inside the box, remember that we canā€™t connect more than one device to a module. TT remote certainly could do the trick (yummy, arc module + TT)

That being said, didnā€™t brian say ā€œnew mechanicsā€? Room for speculation thereā€¦

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#46

Heh, was more being ridiculous, suggesting literally attaching spinning grids to the encoder tops. I was actually gonna photoshop a ā€˜grid as knobā€™ thing, but couldnā€™t find a top view of a 128 quick enough.

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#47

Well, he did say new mechanics and non-push so these speculations donā€™t seem to get us somewhere. But I am sure too that the forthcoming arc related module wonā€™t miss the push function either. Turning a wheel and pressing on it to fix, confirm or change mode seems so natural for a controller on one hand - getting over this and work with just turning wheels may be better thoughā€¦

I imagine something like wheel controllable LFOs or sequences that you can give a shove or stop for moment as you would with a turntable.

#48

Missed that part my bad! :slight_smile:

#49

Spinning. Grids.

Kinda want to see that.

#50

i understand the desire for a pushbutton-- a sort of more-is-more feeling. iā€™ve discussed this decision extensively in the past-- the tradeoff for me is a better knob all around, which is the fundamental component of the experience.

there will be general-purpose button/keys on the euro module for modality switching.

there will be new apps for the arc that donā€™t use the pushbutton. they will not be lacking.

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#51

[quote=ā€œtehn, post:50, topic:3168ā€]
there will be new apps for the arc that donā€™t use the pushbutton. they will not be lacking.
[/quote]This will be key

Very curious how this plays out

#52

Really excited to see the arc euro ecosystem fleshed out. The eurorack system really set the bar in regards to usability. Having a plug and play system that allows instant tactile gratification transformed the grid from a beautiful concept to a functioning tool for me.

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#53

I like the idea of instant tactile gratification and I am sure arc can contribute to this conceptā€¦:relieved:

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#54

I have an Arc4 from the last batch - the one that removed the push-action from the design. At first I was sad not to have the behavior, but frankly loved the smooth movement so much that I immediately forgot about the touch action. In fact, Iā€™m glad now not to have my values altered by inadvertent directional taps.

My rack has tons of things to press, but nothing like the Arc. I was so excited about how the ORCA firmware for the White Whale brought it to life that I went and purchased a second WW to just run that firmware. What I would love is a way to have both an Arc and Grid going at the same time with a module ā€¦ but one can always just patch it in.

Kudos to @tehn for brining it back into production!!

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#55

nothing can properly describe this feeling, nothing

my greatest wishā€¦aleph seemed like the solution, then orca came close but I understand itā€™s a tough coding nut to crack

as I type this itā€™s pretty hilarious that we are on this quest when pcā€™s manage multiple monomes without major issue

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#56

maybe an additional footswitch input could be useful too?

#57

I hope this doesnā€™t come across the wrong way (via web)

why not save the panel space/hp and just give trigger inputs? then we can access with walk or other dedicated FS interface modules

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#58

I was thinking the same thing about using arc into walk, it would be an interesting fit!
On the flip side, having giant knob controllers (however cool and well made) isnā€™t as appealing as it was in the past ā€“ something tells me that the module side of this is going to put a twist on arc that makes it different and more relevant than a simple controller!

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#59

hmm

the real beauty and complexity is in the led decoupling

just like the grid

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#60

I should clarify by saying: the possibilities for control of electronic music by gestures with knobs (AND associated led feedback) have barely been touched even by previous arc efforts

this is what excites me

simple lo-res pots are engrained in the history of electronic music and mixing but the whole approach has to be rethought when dealing with hi quality, decoupled, lit arrays like monome creates

the expanded userbase euro has attracted to these devices should breath new life into the creative platform

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