#11

Quadratt? Its one of the reasons my diy case will have a 1u row.

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#12

Shades is probably a great option because I do love how Veils handles CV. I’m liking the idea of going with one module that has nice features and then also a bunch of simple 0hp attenuators. Just need to figure out which ones to go with.

When I was sending audio and envelopes to the Veils I didn’t like the character of the overdrive and it also clipped very easily. It’s really the only slightly negative thing I’ve ever had to say about a Mutable module. The Erica Black series is such high quality, I was thinking I would be happier with their quad VCA. I’m wondering what other peoples thoughts on Veils is. I’ve heard some positive and neutral things about it for sure.

#13

Buy passive attenuators modules and don’t rack them. Also do the same for PLPG’s and mults.

When you have a few, screw them into a small enclosure and keep that next to your rig.

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#14

dang, that is a clever setup, especially if one would like to spare the 1-2hp over other options and/or would be frequently mixing signals, but didn’t need the 3-4 channels of Shades/Triatt/Quadratt. Separate offset seems pretty dang useful, too, and prevents the need of using multiple channels of the other modules to apply offset.

I have a weird DIY 9Ux64hp case that I’ve been thinking of scaling down to 7Ux64hp since I already have the rails…Quadratt would definitely be in there if I did that. @jnoble seems downright obsessed with his :slight_smile:

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#15

Wow this is proving to be really helpful. Thank you everyone. I actually have an extra pair of rails laying around. I could DIY a 1U row, slap it on top of my case, and get the Quadratt. The S.P.O or Shades are the perfect size for something inside of my current case. If I get both of these things it won’t cost me too much and I’ll have a decent amount of attenuation!

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#16

Yeah, if you have an Intellijel-compatible 1U row, the Quadratt is great because the horizontal placement of the knobs can make it an easier to access/handle control section. Especially when it’s in the top row.

#17

I’d check out the Trogtronic VGA/Envelope one-two punch of m16/Multiplex (VGA) and m12/Detektor (EG). The m16 is 8HP - the same size as the ALM Tangle Quartet - but unlike the TG it offers pots on the mixed output. I’m super intrigued by its relationship with the m12 in part because of all the delicious manual control toys they have for the m12. FWIW I have the ALM TG right now but am planning to move to the m16 when I “upgrade” my components.

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#18

…and CV control of those two mixed outputs! Quite a lot in 8hp. I’m surprised I hadn’t come across this one before!

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#19

It strikes me as the ideal companion for an output module like the Bastl Ciao.

#20

So after some thought and research I decided to go with the Mutable Triatt and the SSF/WMD S.P.O. I got them both used so it was affordable and light on the HP too.

I also talked to Robert at Control about the Koma attenuator cables and he said they were amazing and really useful to have. Once they restock them I’m going to buy a pack of five.

This should definitely cover my attenuator/attenuverter needs for now. Thanks to @sellanraa and @joshhh for the recommendations!

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#21

I was all set with my attenuator thoughts until a doubt crept into my head.

If I am looking to attenuate CV from batumi passive should be fine? Right?

#22

Quadratt? Its one of the reasons my diy case will have a 1u row.

That’s exactly what i did! Unfortunately 84hp is juuuuust shy of being able to fit 2 quadratts, 1 noise tools, and 1 headphone out. Right now I have a passive mult, quadratt, and headphone out and I’m not sure how to best use my remaining space.

#23

Passive is all you need for that, yes. It is pretty easy to DIY your own passive attenuator, too. Input to center of pot, output to one side of pot, ground to other side of pot.

I think the shortcoming of the Intellijel 1U standard is that they don’t have any really small options besides the USB port. Perhaps this is due (at least in part) to using full size power connectors?

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#24

I’m hoping for some smaller options in the future - I haven’t been following NAMM news but maybe some new 1U options will be available soon?

Edit: noise tools is jam packed with jacks and knobs but there definitely appears to be some room for shrinkage in the quadratt. Maybe a 20-22hp v2?

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#25

I’ll start a new thread if my plans come to fruition, but I’m working (slowly, since I don’t yet know what I’m doing) on some 1U options that would fit the Intellijel format for myself, but anything I manage to design that is in a replicable condition I’ll share.

In my limited experience working on some designs so far, it seems that the power connector will be an obstacle that I’ll need to address at least for my own uses for small active modules.

Also, I get why Intellijel doesn’t want to make too many different-yet-similar things, but I really like the bicolor LEDs on the Fonitronik Cascade/Mutable Shades. I don’t think the Quadratt could shrink without losing a channel and/or switching to knobless pots (which I wouldn’t personally prefer), but I think a 3 channel cascading attenuator/attenuverter in the 1U format would help for folks who can’t fit a Quadratt (or second Quadratt), and if I manage to make one, it’ll have indicator LEDs. Especially when you’re combining channels to, say, offset an attenuverted signal, having visual indication is really helpful for me to wrap my head around what is happening.

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#26

I’m in! I use the quadratt/headphone outs as a super-minimal mixer, so I’d definitely be in for a lower-HP 3-channel for other utilities. And more LEDs is always better!

#27

I’ve been glaring at attenuverters a lot recently, and the ALM O/A/x2 seems super choice at 4hp. I have a Shades, but I’m probably going to go for something more compact, and it’s definitely where I am leaning.

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#28

If you like Shades, just want it smaller, can DIY, and can fit a ~66mm deep module, Fonitronik/Thonk’s Cascade is functionally the same in 4hp, as far as I can tell.

ALM’s O/A/x2 is a cool approach, as well, especially if you would regularly want to attenuate/vert AND offset more than one signal.

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#29

For sure! The ALM one just seems great for the HP without needing to build it, like most of their utilities. It can also mix if you want it to. I’m all about small cases, which is why it caught my fancy. I’ll have to peep the Cascade though! Thanks for the reference.

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#30

After having a read through this thread and some other resources I’ve decided to build a 1u panel with passive utilities (attens, mults).

I found this article really helpful

PassiveAttMult1.pdf (1.7 MB)

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