#258

@ceedotgeedot

Exactly that YT video.

#259

And to everyone saying it’s a bad idea to read comments, I can only confirm that you are right.

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#260

Oh no please don’t bring youtube comments in here. With respect, I don’t think that’s productive. :frowning:

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#261

I don’t think in general the audience for these Behringer units is “people who want a system-100” but rather “people who want Eurorack to be cheaper.” I imagine we are are going to start seeing the “why is this Make Noise filter $300, Behringer has a $50 filter that does the same thing!” type comments very soon. It’s not really about wanting the exact system-100 filter.

#262

Sorry @Smapti if it’s not productive. You are absolutely right, but was mostly an answer to @jonatron

#263

Haha! I live in a former council house in a post-mining town which is one of the most impoverished areas of the UK. If there is “an obvious class factor” involved, I’m clearly punching for the wrong side here. I have a Moog - it’s a Werkstatt-01 that cost me around £100. I’ve had a Minitaur and a Little Phatty too, both of which cost me around £300. I saved up money from selling other things to buy all of these - secondhand, obviously.

I don’t view a massive corporation ripping off designs from generally much smaller companies as some form of studio-gear socialism… I’m not about to soapbox about it, but let’s please not dress this up as something it isn’t. If you imagine that people who don’t like what Behringer are doing to be snobs and that Uli is weighing in heroically on the side of the common man you drank ALL the Kool-Aid.

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#264

I realize its magnitudes larger but in the guitar pedal market, you can buy a fuzz face clone for 25 dollars and you can buy a fuzz face clone for 400 dollars, or you can buy an original fuzz face for 3000 dollars. People still buy all of those things.

Perhaps another parallel from the guitar world is the PAF guitar pickup. You can buy a clone of a PAF set from Seymour Duncan for $150 dollars. You can buy a clone of a PAF set from Throbak for 560 dollars. You can buy an Original PAF set for 2000 dollars.

This is not to take away from the fact that Behringer clones pose a threat and are detrimental to hardworking individuals with Boutique brands. I think we mostly can agree that is true. However, in both of these market examples, there is space for all of them. The consumers still debate ad nauseum about whether you can tell the difference between the Seymour Duncan, the Throbak, and the vintage Gibson.

There will always be a subset of people who will pay more, there will be others who want to pay less, and there will be people in between who do both.

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#265

The plot thickens

#266

I’m in two minds about PSU’s which waste HP space but if that one’s actually properly cheap would be a big deal for me and other mini-modular cheapskates!

as for the rest of it, still not too excited about yet more hp-gigantic yet basic ‘retro’ synth modules (z__z)zzzZZ

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#267

Arturia has already incorporated Plaits into the Microfreak, and Émilie’s only ethical problem was that Arturia incorrectly implied that Mutable was involved in the design. If the original maker doesn’t have a problem, I don’t see the issue.

Make Noise’s most famous designs are at best close (and surely conscious) derivatives of the Serge DUSG (Maths) and the Wiard Borg Filter (QMMG). Anyone else can go to the same well and come back in the exact same ethical position as Make Noise.

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#268

Amen …

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#269

First time here, so Hello! :raising_hand_man:

I find that their “we’re going to disrupt the eurorack market” attitude doesn’t make any sense to anyone already familiar with the format. 50€-99€ modules does sound ok, but if you already know your makers, you can already find such price ranges from several makers like Doepfer, or Erica synths… But their general public, probably unaware of this, hails the new king. I think if Behringer truly want to take over this market, they’d have to produce more than vanilla clones.

I don’t think anyone already invested in Euro was that impressed with their new modules coming out…

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#270

Speaking to that sentiment, so far I don’t have enough nostalgia for any of their nostalgia modules. Nor do I see any have-to-have’s in their line-up. I’m not their target market, though. So that’s neither here nor there.

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#271

This is the first modular release from Behringer that makes some sense to me. If you are someone who is very interested in vintage Moog/Modcan/5u that genre of equipment is very hard to break into for finnancial/physical limitations. It would be difficult/expensive to re-create all of this from existing Eurorack gear. But I think the audience who really appreciate this is extremely narrow. I believe most people who will actually buy these Behringer modules will be beginners who are not entirely sure what they are getting, other than cheap gear.

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#272

It’s hard to imagine someone who wouldn’t be better served by Dreadbox’s Chromatic modules than any of Behringer’s new euro offerings.

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#273

I’ve been heavily into Eurorack since 2011 and have wanted a System 55 since seeing Isao Tomita’s modular gear on a record jacket in 1983 or so as a high schooler.

I’m impressed as hell.

Edit:

114mA for a single VCO??? :exploding_head: I think not. They are more than twice as expensive, too.

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#274

To be fair, it’s a VCO with an inbuilt quantizer which makes the power requirements less of an issue IMO.

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#275

The Dreadbox modules are $99 USD. Behringer claims their modules will retail for $50-100 USD. Not knowing the price of any particular module in advance, how is the Dreadbox module more than twice as expensive?

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#276

Behringer has in fact announced a price range of $49-99 in a pinned comment on the announcement video.

So, a dual VCO for $99 vs a single VCO for [edit: euros] 99 works out to twice as much in my book.

#277

However it is not a fair comparison without keeping in consideration features