#380

Yes, stuff like that.

Generally behaviour trends that are very driven by ego, or attacks on their ego. It was a somewhat off the cuff link though…

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#381

This is what came to mind for me, re: Musk. Worth the full read in the link as every part of it is truly fucked up.

Tesla whistleblower: Elon Musk claimed I was a mass shooter in revenge campaign

After he was fired, Tripp saw a post online that included personal information — including where he lived — and immediately emailed Musk.

“You have what’s coming to you for the lies you have told to the public and investors,” Tripp wrote.

“Threatening me only makes it worse for you,” the chief executive fired back, adding, “You’re a horrible human being.”

Tesla’s security told police that it had received an anonymous tip that Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the factory. But soon after, law enforcement found Tripp “unarmed and in tears,” according to Businessweek.

The sheriff declined Tesla’s request to make a public announcement about the threat, concluding there wasn’t one. But the following morning, a Tesla rep texted a reporter that the company had received “a phone call from a friend of Mr. Tripp telling us that Mr. Tripp would be coming to the Gigafactory to ‘shoot the place up,’” according to the Wednesday report.

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#382

Beside the pedo comment, I was not aware of these other instances, thank you for sharing.
Not a big fan of New York Post to be honest, so for the sake of documenting the above claims, I find this one being a better article.

#383

Comments like these have been all too common on facebook groups and forums like m*********r unfortunately. I’m both relieved the lines community exists, and disgusted with the broader community at large.

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#384

It’s so bizarre, behringer could just keep announcing like 10 affordable synth clones in different colours every day and make a fortune, there’s no need for them to even have some edgy ‘down with the kids’ post-4chan social media presence at all, let alone go on personal vendettas like this

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#385

They are clearly trying to appeal to a specific demographic

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#386

wtf is up with that part of the synthesizer community? They are so out of touch with the real history and spirit of this stuff. :roll_eyes: Maybe I’m just an idealist, but this shit bums me out. Glad I found lines…

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#387

I was just feeling this same thing

#389

According my sense of justice, you and I are allowed to parody Peter Kirn. A corporation, on the other hand, is not. Attempting to trademark his name is just twisted. Agree though that all the attention to CDM probably did him good.

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#390

I happen to strongly disagree with this. We live in a world where too many people try to justify their own actions as ‘normal’ by attacking others and creating scapegoats, divisions and tribes.

How bleak would the world be if we were all exactly the same? I want to celebrate difference, not feel threatened by it. I don’t want to assume that I am ‘normal’. And I certainly don’t want to parody people for being articulate and thoughtful.

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#398

Official moderator note— this is veering off course and will be locked. I am deleting a few comments and will leave the thread open for now but only for on-topic civil discussion.

If people want to discuss moderation and other policies there is another thread for that. Or you can pm the @moderators group.

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#399

I’m genuinely fascinated by this topic and others that are related. There are some very interesting ethical questions raised by the issue of cloning, but also the broader discussion of how corporations operate. I feel that it’s really important to have these open discussions in the artistic communities. There are good points on both ‘sides’ of the Behringer argument, and I’ve got to admit to enjoing the Model D and Neutron synths (I could never afford a ‘real’ Moog, and I don’t ‘need’ a Minimoog enough to warrant saving up for months for one when there are more interesting synths out there). My feelings about Apple are perhaps similar to others’ views of Behringer, but that’s another thread. Thanks for providing some useful points here; this is my first post on this site, and I’m already enjoying the quality of debate here!

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#400

Welcome to one of the few areas of the Internet that truly foster cool, collected intellectual conversations!

And yeah, this thread is really fascinating.

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#401

i wonder if this is worth considering. had my eye on their original pro one for a while now. seems like maybe a strangely limited technology to resurrect though. i imagine something like the deepmind would be a better choice in terms of flexibility or features but i do like the sound of the pro one

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#402

For under 600, I’d buy it. I’m wary as the prices go up on their stuff, because I know from experience how much worse the customer service is than say, Sequential. Prepare to spend weeks waiting, and them wanting proof of purchase before they will do any work, etc. Some of their recreations have really made my musical life so much better (VC-340 chief among them), so I do wonder what the limit will be for me. 600 for an 8 voice version of their pro one is impossible to beat, so I’d probably jump on it, same thing with their mono/poly clone. I think when it comes to the UB/XA, something that might go over 1000, it’s too much of a risk for me, and I just went with the OB-6.

Also, and this got me kicked off muffs permanently for discussing it; as far as ethics I really think that you have to contextualize all of this. If you have the privilege to just buy more ethically made gear, great. If you don’t, then you really just have to think about your own self interest, and there are legitimate reasons for buying Sequential or Moog instead of Behringer in those instances (and vice versa). I am sure that Behringer is about as shitty to their employees/the planet as Apple, and I will probably continue to buy their products (and drive a car, and consume food that I have no idea about the source of…), because there isn’t any escape the world we live in through consumerism. We need systemic change. The slight ethical difference to the world that you are making by buying something from a small company that probably uses Behringer made CEM chips, or mountains of components made in China under potentially not great conditions seems a bit like the shooting a squirtgun to extinguish the sun memes.

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#403

Same here. On the B ethics thread a B fan called me a “racist” which in turn set me crusading on why bullying behavior is tolerated on internet forums. A few people went down from that thread, but the guy who called me a racist is still there, defending B while not owning any B gear. One of the mods stop being a mod a short time later. Glad he got out of the muff matrix.

After reading many opinions on the ethics of B and after buying a D and neutron, I decided no more B for me.

Not crazy for the cheapness of the patch jacks.

They sound ok, but heard a same patch side by side between the Model D and a mini-moog that someone did at Muff’s and the mini sounded better. A little more fidelity and texture.

My neutron only does 1/2 step pitch bends and needs the upgrade to fix that issue, but without a 64x computer, not sure its possible.

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#404

generally speaking I try to buy their stuff used. I did buy the VC-340 when it came out because I had been lusting over the VP-330 for literally years, and thinking to myself that I would never get the chance to own one.

I won’t say any more about muffs because it tends to bring out really abusive comments, but it’s a good thing that the decent people on there have moved on to greener pastures.

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#405

Agree with most of the sentiments in this thread, but damn if the new TR-606 clone isn’t taking some effort not to pre-order.

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#406

There can be different view points etc. But whenever I read about Behringers actions I’m reminded of the quote by ad-man Bill Bernbach:

“More and more I have come to the conclusion that a principle isn’t a principle until it costs you money.”

It’s really hard to say no to a deal that is sweet - to you. And that goes for Klark Teknik-clones as well.

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#407

fully agree with all of this. and i was not aware that the UB/XA was going to be that expensive. that’s a shame. going to be hard to justify that, but i was 100% going to grab that if it was like deepmind prices