#408

At the start I was Behringer hater. They cloned minimoog when Moog has just released their reissue with 10x price. I understand there are difference audience in these products but want to defend Moog and their employees.

After this Ive started thinking that some clones are just the same like starts, teles and les pauls that can be created by many companies. Some companies are even created by ex-specialists at Fender (and maybe Gibson too). I dont like copy-guitars but dont find any problems that some guys provided 100-150 euro guitars on the market. (I remember how I bought my first electric guitar about 20 years ago being teenager. I was so bad in choice and playing and have no skilled friends that I chose Flight guitar with Floyd Roise instead of used Squier strat).

For now Behr added to their team some great engineers who created some clones for euro market (and maybe even MU Moog clones builders) that I suppose highly improved their new products audio quality.
They also recreated some chips that previously was quite impossible. And these chips can be used by other manufacturers. It’s really good.

Now I positively look at these clones, especially if they provide some boutique versions with better enclosures, knobs, pots.

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#409

To be totally clear I have no idea. I am basing my guess (I hope I was clear that I was just saying “if it’s that expensive” not that it will be) on the 700 paraphonic minimoog. If that’s what paraphony costs, I assumed polyphony would be more. I have no idea though.

Again though, it will definitely be worth for cost to sound to features, it’s more of a question of what happens when your fancy gear breaks. I can afford to buy gear used, or occasionally new if it’s cheap because I know I can resell it for roughly the same price, but if anything dies on me, it’s a bit scary because I don’t have a serious income at the moment. That’s one reason I’ve been selling my vintage equipment despite the fact that prices are rising. Anyway, in my experience when I had an issue with DSI gear, they either shipped me parts or charged a minuscule bench fee and fixed it quickly.

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#410

Another factor to consider is that when buying a bunch of cheaply manufactured synths, you are ready just nickel-and-diming yourself out of your money.

Case in point. On sale, my Neuron and Model D will set you back around $550.

That is money I should have saved to buy something well made, will have a good resale value, sound better and have added features for the extra money.

For a little more money and waiting time, that could have been a Moog Subharmonicom, Moog Grandma or what I should have saved for, a Moog Matriarch.

I went for the instant gratification and now every time I plug into or out of the Behringer patch points, I wonder how long those jacks will hold up.

I don’t get that same feeling with the Mother 32 or the Erica Synths stuff that I own.

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#411

I’m not sure if they have confirmed the price of the UBXa yet. Not even starting production. They tend to make a bottom-up price calculation once manufacturing has started and then announce the price.

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#412

i am seriously considering their arp 2600. 600 seems pretty good. i might prefer the ubx for regular music production but the arp seems like more fun as a weird sound design synth

#413

Yeah. I’m finding it hard to resist their Barp 2600. It’s a dream synth of mine, has been since I’ve neen seriously interested in synthesizers. Korg reissue was too limited for me to get hold of one. I can never justify buying an original one without switching careers to something that pays much better or lottery win, and with no expertise in electronics I don’t think owning one would be a simple breeze. RD-8 would be really nice to have and why not some of their other stuff too, but none of their previous releases have been a must haves for me. 2600 is what is testing my principles.

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#414

Y’all. They are cloning the Keystep. WTF. I knew they were shameless, but this feels extra crazy to me.

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#415

Whoa. Is that even legal? I know nothing about legal stuff, but surely they can’t just wholesale copy another instrument that’s currently in production? I thought B******r only copied stuff that was no longer being made.

Bonus points for adding the stank face that was sorely missing from the Keystep, though.

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#416

Ooh can’t wait for the Behringer defender to log on and instruct us all on why this is actually good.

#417

Man… I actually just bought a Model D and was starting to fancy the idea of having a three tier rack of the model d, cat and pro 1…

But they just can’t help themselves can they? This just looks deliberately antagonistic… I really don’t understand how this product made it through an entire corporate chain without multiple people slamming the breaks on it.

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#418

Suspect it’s a feature, not a bug.

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#419

I don’t mind the clones so much. If they aren’t ripping off a patent, I don’t think they are doing anything wrong legally, even if it isn’t a great look. That said, the childish attacks at Kirn, the malicious litigation of competitors, and going after random forum posters all rub me the wrong way and this kind of seems like bait.

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#420

I’m torn between the sheer shocking audacity of this one and my utter lack of excitement about keyboard midi controllers

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#421

Behringer sadly has had a long tendency of ripping off even newly available products.

#422

Yeah Behringer has been ripping off Mackie since the 90’s. This is pretty blatant and pretty lame towards Arturia.

#423

Odd to rip off a product that’s been on the market a relatively long time and charge the same price. Also, the idea of a less reliable and robust version of a product that IME was close to being junk to begin with is not appealing.

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#424

Meh. I won’t be buying it, and participation in the He Man Behringer Haters Club grosses me out, so whatever. Arturia can take care of itself.

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#425

Calling people “haters” simply because they disapprove of a companies business practices does not seem appropriate, is inflammatory and divisive.

See in group out group empathy.

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#426

I will agree will one point in that Arturia is definitely guilty of some shit too with using Mutable code but this explanation is just a rationalization for unfettered capitalism.

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#427

Yeah, I was also shocked to see this “product” of theirs. I see that a lot of people are defending them that what they did is totally legal, but legal doesn’t mean ethical so it is still not cool to me.
It also escapes me from a purely “company” perspective that they did not even take this oppurtinity to address some shortcomings and improve the foundations that Arturia laid. I mean it wouldn’t still be cool but on some other level their copying feels as almost mindless to me. Like an organism that without any rhyme or reason just copies everything without thinking for a while why some things looks one way or another or even if that is “ideal” solution. Which is weird because from what I saw they got really bright minds on board but maybe this is due to some faults in the process or whatever.