#82

I love my hosas, but they do have some kinks.

#83

I’m really surprised nobody’s mentioned them yet, but the braided cables that Modular Addict sells are narrower and more flexible than the Nazca/Mutable cables, and come in a plethora of lengths and colors.

http://modularaddict.com/manufacturer/mutated-modules/eurorack-patch-cables

I use pink/yellow/black/white for color-coding sources and destinations in my 3U 120hp system.

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#84

Those look lovely. I love my Mutables, but I wouldn’t buy more because they are a bit fat.

#85

without a doubt, control cables 100%

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#86

http://modularaddict.com/stacking-patch-cables

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#87

omg someone managed to do it w/o violating the patent?

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#88

Was planning on trying their braided cables, so I’ll get some stacking cables as well and report back :grinning:

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#89

I’m very curious if these are a better fit than the tip top ones. I use stackable all the time.

#90

I am excited about these new stacking cables!
Ordered bunch: can’t wait to try them!

#91

Apparently not…

https://www.facebook.com/officialtiptopaudio/posts/1908052416102969

#92

Well poop.

I understand they are feeling maligned by this apparent IP infringement, but man, their tone is really off-putting. Self-congratulatory and condescending all at once.

Then again, if what they’re saying about the design differences is accurate, maybe they earned that attitude a bit?

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#93

Yep, they’re really not coming across well at all! For all the openness of Euro, from the Doepfer perspective, I mean, I actually find this really sad. I feel like the fact they patented it at all sort of goes against the friendly and sharing nature of eurorack in general. Luckily for me, I’m not really vibing any of their modules, but I’ll make a point of not buying them now. It’s especially rich coming from the guys whose most popular modules are all clones of Roland drum sounds…

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#94

OT: I was emailing Gur about PSU questions at the same exact time that he must’ve been crafting this post. he got back to me in minutes, with clear and helpful explanations. :frowning: my CS-loving heart has experienced a roller coaster of a day.

#95

It must be my lefty instinct but I couldn’t actually believe there was a patent on the concept of stackable cables… on their particular design, of course, but what they actually state here is that the other design is different and not as good so… what’s their problem here? It’s just the same very simple idea pretty much anyone could have while plugging a cable, possibly in a low cost, less reliable version, so what? Can’t they just advertise they’re doing the Hifi cables and leave it at that?

#96

Their attitude and tone is certainly debatable but they are not confused about how the patent system works. The point they’re trying to make is that the patent system ostensibly protects the R&D investment they have made, by disallowing inferior imitators from crowding them out of the market. That being said, it’s for the courts to decide now. Many details we are unaware of could potentially sway the case either way.

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#97

Yeah there’s a lot of things I dislike about patent legislation, but here it feels so… weird and misplaced. So far away from eurorack mentality or what I understood from it.

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#98

Agree about eurorack and agree about the patent system in general. Even as someone who has frequently been involved in inventing things, I’ve never been a fan of patents. I do understand the arguments in favor of the system. It all makes rational sense. I just happen to think it’s a terrible idea.

#99

Interesting to see how negatively people are reacting to that fb post. Real shit attitude on their part (especially since they could have communicated what they were saying in a much more pleasant and honest manner).

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#100

Also interesting to see that they’re doubling down on being jerks in response to the response.

It’s also a fair point that patenting stackables in spite of prior art (Buchla, Serge) really goes a long way to point out how ineffective our patent system is, as currently implemented.

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#101

it’s a bit weird… banana stackables existed before tiptop. so the post implies that the patent is for all the changes/improvements that had to be done for minijack connectors specifically, which also have ground as opposed to bananas which only have one wire. i’m not actually sure if gur is talking about ground connection or shielding - do eurorack cables even have shielding normally? you probably don’t need it for such short distances and bigger voltage range. but then he says modularaddict cables are like tiptop first iteration, so by that logic they are not infringing on the patent…

fwiw the couple of times i had to contact gur due to issues with my modules (which were entirely my fault) he responded quickly, was very helpful and fixed them for free.