#122

Go for it. Highly recommended.

#123

Has anyone tried simple Y splitters like these?

Hosa YMM232 6-Inch Y Adapter, 1/8-Inch Stereo Male-Dual 1/8-Inch Female https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000068O5G?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

CablesOnline, 6-inch 3.5mm Stereo female to Dual 3.5mm Mono Male Left/Right Adapter Cable, AV-Y16 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0732QV2TY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_mWSQgZihywYOT

#124

The Hosa should work fine, and I have used similar stereo splitters (the ring position of the plug/jack doesn’t do anything, but doesn’t hurt, either).

The CablesOnline seems to be a stereo to mono splitter (with shared ground), in which case you’d only get signal out of one jack, so wouldn’t work for splitting single signals.

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#125

Have you found any female to male/male splitters that will work?

#126

I just picked up some stuff from redco that should be here next week:

Canare GS-4

Neutrik NYS226L

only got 10 connectors and like 12 ft of cable to start. I like making cables, and i’ve heard some good things about the ‘drape’ of the Canare GS-4. I’ve also got a soft spot for nice clunky metal connector barrels! Redco only sells the gs-4 in black, but you could just color-code them with heat shrink if that’s what you’re into.

#127

I haven’t used GS-4, but I have made a number of guitar/instrument cables with GS-6 and Neutrik (I think) jacks, basically a 1/4" version of what you’re doing. Good stuff in my experience! I do wish they did GS-4 in colors.

#128

How about this one?

Ancable 3.5mm (1/8") TRS 1 Male To 3 Female 3-Way Stereo Splitter Audio Cable https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EHVS2OS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_KA1AAbB3TWK9B

Or

CablesOnline 3.5mm (1/8") TRS Male Plug to 3x Female Stereo Audio Splitter, (AV-Y01F3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ENUOMKW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ED1AAbCKQY327

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#129

both of those should work fine, provided they are actually wired in the way we would logically deduce (ie, tip/ring/sleeve of male plug is connected to same of each jack).

I’ve also used these, which are inexpensive and functional but don’t physically fit in every situation. Monoprice also has some very inexpensive 3.5mm mono patch cables which work fine in my experience, but have somewhat large barrels and don’t fit in very tight jack spacings.

#130

Just ordered my first batch of :banana: cables. Jeeeeeeeez. I had to work with a loan agent, notary public and the US embassy to close the deal, that was rough. Had no idea what I was getting into by welcoming a banana synth into my home.

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#131

Is the hosa safe for 0-coast to turn around in either direction?

#132

I don’t think I understand your question!

Presuming you mean ‘can you use the cable to split or mix’, the answer is no. Splitting only - mixing requires resistors at the very least.

#133

Do you mean mixing two signals as well as splitting one signal into two?

If so, it’s generally not good practice to use a splitter/multiple as a mixer.

Edit - in light of the response from @Galapagoose I should add some information here that I should have said initially.

If modules are designed to a common specification then mixing using a multiple shouldn’t be an issue. Although it won’t give consistent results. The problem is you often don’t know which specifications modules are built to. Especially in Eurorack. So, in my view, it is safer to use the general rule of multiples to split, mixers (or OR combiners) to mix. It’s something I would have no hesitation saying to people beginning in modular as it saves the “which module is it safe to do this and which module is it not safe to do this” quandry that is the last thing I think anyone should have to have on their mind in the middle of patching!

#134

This is OT, but I’m fighting misinformation!

I really don’t see why this is the standard line anymore. Buchla & Serge were passively mixing multiple outputs in the 60s. In the intervening 50 years, integrated circuits have become much more resilient & able to deal with erroneous connections. Not to mention most of the modules you see today are based on their designs!

Next time someone says this, ask them what evidence their opinion is based on, then please send me a link to the info!

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#135

@Galapagoose is this in reply to @sandy’s response to my question about using the splitters in either direction?

To clarify, I think @sandy and I are saying the same thing. I imagined using the splitters to go from one output to the inputs of two different paths. And also to bring the outputs from two different paths into one input. And if that’s safe, I thought: why not keep expanding on that and mixing and combining paths multiple times by chaining multiple splitters together to create more complex networks of routing.

#136

@Galapagoose @OldBuildingAndLoan

Sorry. I am not trying to spread misinformation and I can see how my response was not well worded.

I am not an electronic engineer or module designer so I defer to those with knowledge that I do not have on the electrical/electronic wiseness of using a multiple as a mixer.

But, using a multiple as a mixer certainly will not elicit the results you would expect if using a dedicated mixer module. It will certainly be much more random in nature which (while not always a bad thing!) may not be what you are looking to achieve.

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#137

I always thought that this was due to Serge and Buchla having a homogeneous design for inputs and outputs. I’m so very far from being an EE, but isn’t passive mixing like that reliant on the input and output impedance being amenable to it?

Eurorack being so heterogeneous and lacking in specs has meant that no manufacturer will condone passive mixing, because they can’t make guarantees about what their module is connected to.

The 0-coast could probably have been designed to support it though. I previously owned a Phenol and that could passive mix on it’s inputs (with the usual caveats about signal drop).

#138

Absolutely it relies on impedances. Sorry @sandy, I didn’t mean to come across so aggressively!

I’m not sure if it’s part of the Doepfer spec explicitly, but 100k input impedance & 1k output impedance is generally accepted. The output impedance is the one that matters in this case, and certainly YMMV.

FYI both monome & mannequins modules explicitly support passive mixing. It doesn’t always do what you’d expect, but nothing will break.

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#139

That is cool and good to know!

I was basing my comments on having attempted to use various headphone splitters as mixers (when I didn’t know what I was doing and was 15 years old, and this was with non-modular stuff) and having weird results that didnt sound good or sound like they were good for my equipment, and subsequent research. Granted, that was not within the context of any sort of standardized system, and it was solely with audio signals. In hindsight, maybe mismatched output impedances explain that?

So, just to be clear: Mannequins/Monome would support, say, stacking two CV sources via splitters or stackcables directly into a CV input? Or two audio signals directly into an FM input?

#140

Maybe I’m missing them being mentioned here but I just want to chine in and note that my favorite cables are made by Erthenvar. They have relatively compact heads, they are springy, and the texture feels better than any other I’ve tried.

I only wish they had more colors.

#141

I wrote to Make Noise, asking about the black Hosa splitter and received the following reply. Fortunately I already had an order for a pack of the cables they suggested.

The splitter you linked is using TRS (stereo) connections, while the signal i/o on the 0-Coast uses TS (mono).
The one you linked is for using multiple sets of headphones on a single stereo output.
You would need something described as “TS to dual TS” in order to do what you are looking for effectively. Hosa does make such an item:
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMM-500Y-MIX-Pigtail-Hopscotch-Various/dp/B01N6VKC8I/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1517151737&sr=1-1&keywords=CMM-500Y-MIX
Also, please note that splitters like this can be used as multiples (one output to multiple inputs), but they cannot be effectively used as mixers (multiple outputs to one input).