Damn. I wouldn’t mind a a stack of 100 blanks…

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Had a 414 mk2 for years never bonded with it always found sound to be dreadful - very warbly. Bought it aged 19 with fond memories of lunchbreaks whiled away on an older tascam unit owned by the music department at school. Somehow the 414 never failed to disappoint.

Never sure what was with that, whether it was the individual unit, the model itself or a more critical ear. Anyway never owned a recorder with the same immediacy & fun of that old unit at school till I discovered the boomerang pedal a few years back…

This gets me thinking about a simple four track app for aleph with variable tape-speed & destructive overdubs Surely no more than a weekend hack (famous last words)…

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Ahhhhhhhh

please yes!

[quote=“rick_monster, post:13, topic:2538”]
a simple four track app for aleph with variable tape-speed & destructive overdubs
[/quote]I just want to reiterate…that would be amazing

i love digital tape based stuff

hey well I’m kind of deep into some bees stuff at the moment - think I could offer at least a bit of guidance to anyone else that wants to get stuck in (though still learning myself!).

As a bonus pretty sure this could be built & tested using linux/jack emulator if interested parties have access to that kind of environment (though noone should spend a long time developing under linux/jack & expect it to definitely work on the device). But definitely bear in mind it’s now possible to program the blackfin using serial cable from host - potentially a big timesaver for aspiring DSP devs…

First step for this new module could be to try and plan as much as possible the simplest set of params that can control the tape. So for example:

  • playspeed (0 for stop, 256 for 1 x speed)
  • rec1 source
  • rec1
  • rec2_source
  • rec2
  • rec3_source
  • rec3
  • rec4_source
  • rec4
  • seek-to (bidirectional param)
  • a whole mixer section (copy-paste grains module for the skeleton & rip out the cruft)

EDIT: I realise there is one potentially tricky DSP block for this project missing from our ‘standard library’, namely interpolated buffer write. If someone takes this project on, will be able to quickly contribute a linear-interpolated buffer-write. Linear interpolated is a bit lo-fi/grainy - if there’s a working module I can hit the books & try to figure out how to do the higher-order version…

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I have to check whether the last version of PRGM app has interpolated buffers (probably not)

ok
I’m done hijacking this thread

ok just one more aleph dev comment (sorry for the minor thread hijack) it’s interpolated write that’s missing - grains already necessitated development of higher-order interpolated read. 99% sure I understand how to very quickly implement linear interpolated write, which is enough give this legs. Also I don’t think it necessarily needs a dedicated app - module-only would already be awesome.

Soon as someone (possibly me) comes up with a prototype & a catchy name we can start our very own thread to flesh out the ideas

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Cool, I know youre busy so no pressure
just wanted to show enthusiasm for the great idea.

Working should probably just be 414 or TSCM

just found this yesterday after someone ported one of this guys other PD patches for the organelle

I haven’t tried to get it working yet but it is supposed to be a tape type emulator

@Ted the Norelco Mori podcast is great!

I have a Realistic micro cassette recorder. Super wobbly and produces unexpected results. They’re great to take into guitar center or a park and sample stuff. Here’s and example of classical guitar recorded on micro cassette. I mic’d the tiny speaker and put some delay on it

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Using a lot of different cassette players, a bunch of ordinary hifi units (Technics, Pioneer, an old beaten Nakamichi and a nad that refuses to play at the correct speed) for cassette loops. For recording usually a computer but somtimes a Sansui MR-6 (six track rack mounted cassette player), a tascam porta one or a yamaha mt100 (I think it’s the name of it), but these are used for multitrack loops as well sometimes. But nowadays more reel-to-reels than cassettes, more physical in a way, possible to sped up and down, stop, tear and interact with the loops in way cassettes won’t let you. But usually I end up with at least one cassette player doing some loopy stuff when I compose new things.

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interact with the loops in way cassettes won’t let you.

/cough/ Landscape HC-TT: Human Controlled Tape Transport :blush:

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Should have known better than to use such a definite statement. :slight_smile: But, if not I would probably never seen this link. Very cool little invention there, thanks for the link!

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Awesome! I want one of those

Just came across this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJRubp3-aY

I don’t think the playing or song is particularly thrilling but its catchy. I love the way that it sounds!

I’ve been messing around with u-he Satin and it’s sooooo deep and sounds wonderful. It comes closer to tape imho than any other tape sim. I’ve even had the neve hardware tape simulator and Satin comes closer. Love it. https://www.u-he.com/cms/satin

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Makes me think of pullin gdown the 424 mkII I’ve had sitting in the attic. Of course, there’s also the tascam reel to reel I need to put a new belt on and start fudging with.

Curious if you settled on a new recorder? I’ve been doing a bit of similar research for something portable. Leaning towards a Sony TC-D5M or Marantz PMD 430. Any experience reports appreciated!

I’ve had very good luck with the Sony WM-D6C, the Professional Walkman. Unfortunately, they’ve become collectable and therefore can sometimes go for astronomical prices. But if you’re patient, you can pick up one for a reasonable price.

It’s a very solid, good sounding, reliable machine. On a lark, I paired it with a good preamp and set of mikes, and made some recordings of the early morning bird activity in my backyard. Paired with a metal cassette, I’ve found the quality to be really lovely. I grew up on cassettes and am biased towards the voicing of tape – lame pun, sorry. But what’s especially nice is the way the tape handles high dynamic, low frequency sounds. It’s lazy of me, really, as I don’t need to worry about where to set the HPF on my recordings.

Be sure not to overlook the cassette tapes themselves: they can very atrociously expensive. Your best bet is to head out to thrift stores and sift through the tape bin for used mix tapes. Do be sure to take a listen before you record over them, as there’s likely to be some very interesting stuff on there.

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Nice! I’m remembering looking at one of these a while back too. Any idea which head yours has?

Cool reading about the Walkman Pro.

This very morning I picked mine up off the dresser, where it’s been for a couple of weeks, and took it downstairs in to the studio.

I’ll never part with it. I bought it brand new in the 80s and it still works flawlessly…and I can’t say it was always treated kindly. It’s been around the world multiple times, spent weeks above 11,000 feet, in cold, heat, etc. The metal case is everything.

A good ‘home’ deck is a Nakamichi CR-7A. That’s what I still use.

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