#357

This place is so cool! Reading the latest discussions on techniques got me inspired to try some new stuff with CC.

This recording was done in one take (+some simple notes on top afterwards) using Less Concepts in Ableton playing notes from a rack with an Operator → Cheat Codes, synced with Link and recording set to loop + random recording at 50% iirc. All 3 banks use the recorded material in different ways.

Was very pleased with the filtered stuff going on in bank C (sounds almost like water). The source material is the same as everything else, with these RND and filter settings:

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#358

some cheat codes adventuring from last night -


(banks 1 and 2 are processing a frozen buffer 1 of electric piano(reface cp), bank 3 is processing live buffer 2 input from Plumbutter with rec probability around 50%. Lots of euclid + rnd rate modulation + slow looping envelopes, some delay page stuff in 2nd half)

Exploring cheat codes the past few days has been so much fun + the docs are superb in helping dive in despite the depths. Tytyty for all the amazing work on this @dan_derks !

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#359

The midi clock drop out seems unrelated to the syncing issue and doesn’t appear to be a problem with the other hard ware. I have done some testing and it appears that messages from the faderbank cause the midi clock to stop. I am not sure of much else beyond this sorry, but it would be good if there was a way just to restart the clock in this situation. At the moment I am relaunching the preset to restart the clock (although I believe that I have just changed the midi channel settings and changed them back and it started again but I need to confirm this).
I had a session without the faderbank connected and had no clock dropouts.
I am still testing the sync/latency issue I reported but I suspect this is a problem with my implementation and not the script. Thanks again Dan

Edit to say that it’s the mapping of Bank a’s volume specifically that is causing the clock to stop
And bank b volume mapping

Actually all bank parameters I am checking seem to cause a clock drop out

Further edit to state that only relaunching the preset will restart the clock

#360

@Placebo92 , what an awesome capture, thank you for sharing it! your use of the envelopes is really staggering – there’s so much life in this recording!!

@yoyosandshoes , i’m sorry to hear about these troubles – since MIDI mapping is handled by the norns system, you should be able to repro the issue by simply adjusting the same parameter by hand in the PARAMETERS menu. i’ve also not run into this issue using a 16n faderbank, so a few q’s:

  • do you see this trouble with manual manipulation?
  • either way, what prints to maiden as the issue occurs?
  • when you say you’re launching a preset, do you mean a collection? or a norns system PSET? i ask because cheat codes 2 doesn’t use the PSET system (there are just too many variables floating around), so if a PSET is being recalled it might be creating issues.
  • this is a 16n faderbank?
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#361

I will try the manual parameter changes next time I’m with Norns but i imagine this problem would have already been reported by others if it occurred more generally which makes me ponder the broader setup I have.
Yes I mean the Collections and not PSET sorry for confusion.
I am using a 16n faderbank that a friend built for me recently.

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#362

Slightly off topic: I sometimes think in addition to the GAS haiku thread we could use a FRS thread :wink: (feature request syndrome).

Although English is not my mother tongue I dare to create the first one and dedicate this poor attempt of mine to @dan_derks because he always welcomes feature requests with an admirable openness and enthusiasm:

You built so much.
Yet I am longing for more.
May I request?

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#363

there are some features
I fear I will never know
the complete depth of

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#364

Thank you for the video about live sampling! Helps a lot :smiley:

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#365

No, changing the levels on the level page works as expect and has no effect on the clock.

clock: ignoring resumption of canceled clock (no coroutine)

Im getting many lines of this while the script is running and nothing specifically when the clock stops. I am finding on testing today that the clock seems to dip (LED indicator and clock speed) when the 16n is sending a message for the Banks A, B and C. I note that I am not getting the same problem when the 16n is sending messages for global levels and reverb send etc.

Edit to say that I am using a CV Pal and sending clock info on midi channel 14 that is for clocking per the CV pal manual

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#366

following up on this “accidental” discovery from some time back, I think this trick puts CC in “granular mode” :grin:

details and audio sample

I’ve set up my pads on all banks with the same piano sample. Each bank with different rnd settings, most notably rnd rate set to the same number (min = max) and with different clock divisions per bank


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#367

i’ve been playing around with different envelope settings recently and getting some nice results! this is a flora sequence on the opz, with random recording at ~70%

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#368

Hy guys!!!
I’ve been away for a bit and so much going on here!!!
It is super inspiring how much you evolve in such a little time! Yeh yeh! Nourishing the motivation!

I bring some new free download samples to play with!!
I’ve been doing a first approach to Orgel Dream’s “Eoten” (noise, distortion machine, really recomend it) and I will explore it soon pluging it in to the Norns.
Also I was exploring more the orchestral sound lately and wanted to test several mic dispositions and my instrument sounds so…you will be bullied with orchestral textrure pieces ha!

As allways: https://www.alicianurhomusic.com/samples4lines The free download link.

I am so motivated now I have checked the last topics!!!
Happy weekend and happy playground!

P.D.: I started a twitch channel about music analysis of covers I will make. I will destroy them, and reconstruct them my way and meanwhile I will use them as musical analysis and arrangement theory subject . Every tuesday at 19.00. Now is Architect’s going on so , if you want to come arround, you are invited…some will be in spanish but also I will make the international secction. :slight_smile:

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#369

Hi @dan_derks Was looking at your last IG post about macro mappings and wondered if this works sort of like that Cartographer m4l device (https://jsmishalanie.com/cartographer)? Been having crazy fun with that lately

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#370

yessss, JSM’s devices ruuuule!

the idea is similar, but with specific implementation for cheat codes 2. i’m like, 99% done with this update (had a quick derail/existential crisis about what it meant for this script to have a transport – i think i figured it out, but it took so much reckoning lol), but here’s…

a quick overview of macros:

  • eight banks of eight assignable parameters linked by a single control stream (on-norns, MIDI, and/or crow)
  • assignable parameters include:
    • current pad
    • rate
    • pan
    • filter tilt
    • start point: fixed, so 0 - 127 crawls evenly-distributed points along the entire sample length
    • end point: fixed, so 0 - 127 crawls evenly-distributed points along the entire sample length
    • start (delta): relative, so deltas between last and current value either pull or push the start point
    • end (delta): relative, so deltas between last and current value either pull or push the end point
    • delay div/mult
    • delay free time
    • delay rate
    • delay pan
    • macro: sends this macro’s value to another macro
    • w/curve
    • w/ramp
    • w/fm index
    • w/fm env
    • w/fm num
    • w/fm den
    • w/lpg time
    • w/lpg symm
  • the ranges of each of these parameters can be clamped to a small subset of values, so eg. the full 0 - 127 range of a MIDI-mapped slider can move a filter by only a tick or two or sweep a sweet spot or span the extremes
  • each macro has a curve setting, which assigns an easing function to the outgoing data. these help vary the path data takes from min to max. eg. if a single macro controls delay rate for both delays, leaving all the other settings the same, adjusting their individual curves allows non-linear changes.
  • there’s also a randomize function (basically, press K3 when you’re on the performance screen [there are two screens, program and perform] and a random value between 0 and 127 will be seeded to the macro)
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#371

:sweat_smile:
wait i’m scared tho :sleepy:
what changed?

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#372

lol, all positive and hopefully feels thoughtfully implemented. lots of new uses open up.

in short: nothing will change for people for whom transports aren’t useful in their music. these changes will be useful for folks who have been wanting to sync start/stop events between cheat codes and their other boxes, though.

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#373

YESSS
This is gold! Can’t wait to try Macros.

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#374

totally inspired by our conversation about delay filters! cheat codes has always had this library, but i only used one shape lol. it felt synchronous, so thank you for the push to explore!!

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#375

And w/syn parameter control!?! :slight_smile:

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#376

@dan_derks would you be open to talking a bit about the process used in the promo vid? it’s different from most of the cheat codes stuff i hear and really dig it, trying to wrap my head around what’s going on

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