[cheat codes 2] (rev 210208: macros, transport, midigrid, midi config, w/syn, even more stuff)

emho · 2021-02-09T14:21:15.766Z

Thanks Dan
Will learn how to use the build-in norns system mapping then

dan_derks · 2021-02-09T14:27:15.578Z

oh! yeah, you’re in for a treat it’s a really fluid system.

mappings also get saved as you make them, per script, so you’ll not need to do anything special to have those persist across sessions.

DoS · 2021-02-09T15:00:57.042Z

dan_derks:

the two launchpad / mg_128 approach isn’t ergonomic for this script, because the gap between the two devices cuts through the second bank. so, for now, i’d recommend sticking with one launchpad and midigrid in 64 config.

Thanks @dan_derks ! That explains it - for now I’ll stick to 64 in that case, and actually try to figure out how to use the script too. Thanks as ever for all the wonderful work and your rapid responses to questions.

emho · 2021-02-09T16:16:57.166Z

By the way this can be great with CC2 maybe?

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mbillz · 2021-02-09T16:43:52.130Z

ooooh amazing idea - will try this with my Crow

bc3 · 2021-02-09T18:51:32.233Z

Quick question about how midi note messages are sent when a pad is pressed…

When a pad is pressed does the pad immediately send a note on/off message?
It seems like this is what is happening but I was wondering if this behavior could be altered to hold the note on message as long as the pad is held down then send the note off message when the pad is released? Thanks!

dan_derks · 2021-02-09T19:15:11.446Z

bc3:

When a pad is pressed does the pad immediately send a note on/off message?

good q!

currently, note length per pad will default to the arp duration set for that pad (hold K1 on the [arps] screen to toggle between bank and pad durations). this seemed like the best interim solution to avoid introducing a new performance gesture, especially one that couldn’t be recorded as played – the pattern recorders only capture pad presses, not releases, since one of the original core ideas for the sampler side of cheat codes was rooted in playing through slices as either 1-shots or loops.

the next update’s focus is going to be rewriting the pattern recorder mechanism, which will support pad presses as two discrete events (press and release), which will also offer a third mode for sample playback – momentary.

so, on the roadmap!

emho:

By the way this can be great with CC2 maybe?

oh, that would be a fun instrument to sample into cheat codes! i always have a blast importing small riffs using instrument VSTs

bc3 · 2021-02-09T19:28:22.471Z

Fair enough and that makes total sense now!

Also, midi sync is rocking now with Norns following the OP-Z’s midi clock and stop/start messages perfectly.

Moneo · 2021-02-09T19:49:36.714Z

There is some odd behaviour of the parameters menu scrolling after script runs for some time. Encoder functions normally on other sections of the script and outside of it

dan_derks · 2021-02-09T20:08:59.835Z

i’ve noticed this occasionally, but haven’t been able to reliably repro – i think it just has to do with a race condition re: the custom key hold times on some of the menus. if you hit K2 to back out of the parameters to the EDIT/PSET/MAP screen and re-enter the EDIT section with K3, it should clear up fine

under normal circumstances, this type of header-jumping is actually a feature, if you press k3 on any of the parameter headings

Moneo · 2021-02-09T20:14:01.304Z

dan_derks:

if you hit K2 to back out of the parameters to the EDIT/PSET/MAP screen and re-enter the EDIT section with K3, it should clear up fine

I tried but unfortunately no luck. Will see if it will go back to normal after rebooting the script as soon as I finish working with it.

dan_derks · 2021-02-09T20:15:13.167Z

maybe try using encoder 1 to navigate around the system menus a bit too? it does clear up easily, i just can’t remember the exact combo, apologies! if this continues to be problematic, any steps to reproduce the onset of the issue will help

edit: ah! @Moneo , i was able to repro – it’s a weird one, though. using E1 to navigate away from the parameters and back clears it up.

emho · 2021-02-09T20:19:30.329Z

Another question: myKorg Nano kontrol 2 is fully recognized by norns but my small Korg microkey air is not (in usb mode not bluetooth)… What kind of midi keyboard is compatible with norns and CC2?

coreyr · 2021-02-09T20:21:58.304Z

Iirc I was seeing that behavior most when having used the long press of key 1 inside cc2 which is sort of latching in some instances? (this was with the previous update, will try and see if it can be reliably reproduced on the current version later today).

dan_derks · 2021-02-09T20:26:56.064Z

emho:

What kind of midi keyboard is compatible with norns

from what i can tell, that keyboard should be compatible. what leads you to believe it isn’t recognized? does it now show up in the SYSTEM > DEVICES > MIDI menu? if it helps, this thread is a nice running list of norns-friendly accessories: https://llllllll.co/t/friends-of-norns-gear-accessories-etc

coreyr:

sort of latching in some instances

yeah, it’s a tough one to repro. i was able to get it by doing some weird key combos on the [loops] screen and essentially colliding the key hold timers (i guess they’re somehow outrunning the norns system menu logic?), but i feel like it’s rather rare – if folks are running into this a lot, tho, lmk!

kveye · 2021-02-09T20:31:05.110Z

Hey there, two questions.

How do i make midigrid work with Launchpad Pro mk3?
Is there any video startup guide? I want to dig into this script but everytime get intimidated and lost in it. This is my proverbial Octatrack:)

emho · 2021-02-09T20:55:19.798Z

Ok…working now… strange sorry for that

dan_derks · 2021-02-09T21:03:37.216Z

kveye:

How do i make midigrid work with Launchpad Pro mk3?

this seems to have done it for others:

Norns: alternative grids Monome

@Cubeinthebox Not sure if you saw my post, but I got the Launchpad Pro mk3 running with midi grid. You need to edit supported_devices.lua and paste the following line (after line 6) { midi_base_name= 'launchpad pro mk3', device_type='launchpad_promk3' }, Then duplicate launchpad_minimk3.lua (in the devices folder) and rename it launchpad_promk3.lua You can open it and replace line 41 with launchpad.device_name = 'launchpad_promk3' Now all you need to do is add local grid = include "midigrid…

kveye:

Is there any video startup guide?

there isn’t yet, but that’s what the Music Hackspace sessions are hopefully going to bear! in the meantime, the manual and menus are pretty linear in terms of concepts, so i’d encourage starting at the top with a simple goal [record some audio (or import it) and loop it] and feel free to let me know where snags hit and hopefully the MH sessions help!

yoyosandshoes · 2021-02-10T00:33:48.528Z

dan_derks:

crow pulses-per-pad triggering teletype control over w/

Woah what an idea! I hadnt even thought of the amazing generative patches possible via crow. So much to try, so little time

nkozi · 2021-02-10T01:55:35.210Z

Wait wait wait - TF is this Midigrid you’re talking about?

omg i’ve been away for so long i didn’t know that people got the Launchpads working?