[cheat codes 2] (rev 240301 LTS13.2)

dani_derks · 2022-03-24T22:06:54.023Z

apologies for the delay!

loose vs bars describes the type of syncing the pattern will adhere to. loose is ‘the time from first press to the time the recording button is disengaged’, which is helpful for async play as well as for this ‘sets bpm’ behavior, but it’ll definitely drift as it loops because it isn’t a perfect loop at that bpm.

the way i use ‘sets bpm’ is to key in a feel to get arps/euclid/external gear synced up, then if i want perfect loops i flip the rec mode from loose to bars and hold K1 to dial in the number of bars my pattern should represent at this derived bpm – that’ll ensure that the pattern restarts after x bars, rather than using my loose timing.

another workaround is to use the metasequencer to retrigger the loose pattern on the derived clock, but i like leaving the metasequencer open for ‘song mode’ duties.

i’ll probably refine this a bit for cheat codes yellow, but hopefully this workflow outline helps clarify intent – i’d love to learn more about the way you’d like to engage with it, though, if you find this isn’t the performance mode you were seeking

FLORINS · 2022-03-24T22:56:53.534Z

@dani_derks thanks so much for your thoughtful response.

Interestingly, after some experimentation I came around to the meta sequencer solution - using it to retrig my pattern. But I will try ur first approach as well and get my “accompaniment” going with euclid and arps after establishing the tempo in Loose and then moving over to Bars for Pattern creation.

Looking forward to Cheat Codes Yellow too!

dwtong · 2022-03-25T05:11:46.978Z

Heya, thanks @dani_derks for this fantastic script, it’s been a go-to since picking up a shield last year.

I’m looking to use either a MFT or a faderfox EC4, and am wondering whether the recording of arc gestures (from the bottom of the grid performance page) works with either of these? Thanks

dani_derks · 2022-03-25T10:10:07.031Z

thank you for engaging with the script!
gesture recording is currently grid + arc only, but i’ll take a peek at bringing the MFT/EC4 gestures into that stream

PeteDorky · 2022-03-25T12:15:49.012Z

Any idea why I can’t map MIDI notes in MIDI learn mode? Only CC? Does not compute… or is my MIDI device not working – only learns by using my OhmRGB’s faders.

dani_derks · 2022-03-25T12:44:51.941Z

hi hi! hope all’s well
norns doesn’t support mapping MIDI notes to parameters via the MAP function – only CC’s.

i’m happy to add MIDI note mapping to this norns system feature request PARAMETERS: mapping enhancement springboards · Issue #1248 · monome/norns · GitHub if you can share a bit more detail about what device you’re using and how you want things to respond – eg. if you map a filter cutoff to a MIDI key, how do you want to access values between extremes of on/off?

PeteDorky · 2022-03-25T13:04:51.406Z

Hey Dan!

Ah hm … so there a tons of things everywhere in the Norns then that only accept CCs?

Like Reverb on / off e.g. – I have never seen an implementation outside of this Norns universe where I only could map CC to this kind of stuff. A whole knob with 127 possibles values for on / off seems kinda wasteful. Best of course would be an implementation like Ableton Live has where you could set min / max for every mapping.

So in general I’d like/hope/expect(ed) to see MIDI notes possible everywhere kinda (even for stuff where it would make more sense to use a knob / fader). Even when the button then only changed the value from 0 to 127 (which can also be a nice effect). The more control the better.

Cheers!

dani_derks · 2022-03-25T13:09:44.418Z

gotcha, will add it to that feature request!

PeteDorky:

Best of course would be an implementation like Ableton Live has where you could set min / max for every mapping.

just to confirm, this is already possible for CC’s – just hit K3 on any parameter in MAP mode and you’ll get to set this range for both incoming and outgoing data:

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PeteDorky · 2022-03-25T13:14:16.615Z

Maybe another thing … MIDI feedback would of course then be quite interesting for buttons with LEDs to tell whether the value is 0 or 1 / on or off.

Klangschmied · 2022-03-25T19:26:04.746Z

I would like a feature to use MIDI-Notes (f.e. a keyboard) to play the 3x16 pads, not only the grid.

DegradedEcho · 2022-03-25T19:29:46.493Z

Much enthusiasm for opening up params to midi note mapping! Could this be implemented norns-wide or are we talking cc2 specific? Sooo many scripts would be made all the more wonderful with this addition! healing love to you dan, hope your body and soul are knitting up beautifully!

Klangschmied · 2022-03-25T19:44:24.497Z

Question: in locval view of buffer c there is locker, how can I get rid of it?

dani_derks · 2022-03-27T19:37:36.437Z

PeteDorky:

MIDI feedback would of course then be quite interesting for buttons with LEDs to tell whether the value is 0 or 1 / on or off.

agreed + in the norns system feature request i linked as midi + OSC callback

Klangschmied:

I would like a feature to use MIDI-Notes (f.e. a keyboard) to play the 3x16 pads, not only the grid.

this is currently possible! just connect a MIDI source, boot the script, and head to PARAMS > MIDI note/OP-Z setup. you’ll have options to enable MIDI control, to select a controller device, to set different channels for different banks, and to set the base note to start trigger pads 1 to 16. start with midi zilchmo toggled off for easiest orientation – the PDF docs covers that feature, though:

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Klangschmied:

in locval view of buffer c there is locker, how can I get rid of it?

the lock indicates either that you’re in pad focus mode (ALT/alt + the rightmost top key in any bank’s area), or there is an automated process is also iterating, like arps or euclid, and you need to enter pad focus mode to cycle through pads in the UI. normally, the pad displayed changes with pad presses – but since these iterators can change pads rapidly, it seemed best to offer a ‘locked’ view alongside the iteration

DegradedEcho:

hope your body and soul are knitting up beautifully!

thank you thank you
i’ve honestly been struggling with depersonalization + a lot of weird internal vibes, but it’s also been a very nice opportunity to re-heal some things that i missed the first time around. overall, v thankful and trending positive!

jimi23 · 2022-03-27T23:37:55.464Z

dani_derks:

Midi Fighter Twister template that’s a fully playable interface with LED feedback

I’m considering investing in a Midi Fighter Twister as a Norns companion.
Just wondering on the mechanism by which the LED feedback for Cheat Codes works? Does CC2 echo MIDI CCs that the MFT are mapped to on PAD changes so the LEDs update? And are the encoders relative so there’s no jumping when moving between pads?

Also is this type of MFT integration generalised at Norns system level where I can map parameters in other scripts to CCs, and have that echo back to the MFT LED rings? Or is this a specific implementation to pair the MFT in the Cheat Codes 2 script?

Sorry for the basic questions, I can’t open the MFT template to dig about it seems without one attached!
Thanks

Jonny · 2022-03-28T00:14:13.799Z

This appears to be the Lua lib file that shows how the midi CC is sent back to the device. In the main script, you’ll see a lot of mc.mft_redraw usage to update the controller. My guess is that the template on the MFT is set up for the specific CC’s and encoder styles. Looking it over, I don’t see why you couldn’t use this code in another script with a little bit of effort, but I’ll defer that answer to Dan or somebody else who might know for sure. It seems flexible enough since it also applies to a faderfox.

github.com

dndrks/cheat_codes_2/blob/main/lib/midicheat.lua

local midicheat = {}

local mc = midicheat

function mc.init()
  active_midi_notes = {{},{},{}}
  for i = 1,3 do
    mc.redraw(bank[i][bank[i].id])
  end
  for i = 1,16 do
    if midi_dev[i].name == "Midi Fighter Twister" or midi_dev[i].name == "Faderfox EC4" then
      mc.mft_redraw(bank[1][bank[1].id],"all")
    end
  end
  mc.initialize_UI()
end

function mc.move_start(target,val) -- expects (bank[x][y],0-127)
  local lo = target.mode == 1 and live[target.clip].min or clip[target.clip].min
  local hi = target.end_point-0.1

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jatwo · 2022-04-03T01:56:28.284Z

dani_derks:

TouchOSC stuff

requires this updated TouchOSC template (for TouchOSC mk1)

quick clarification - can this TouchOSC template be opened with the newer mk2 version of iOS TouchOSC, or is it best to get the older iOS TouchOSC mk1 app?

dani_derks · 2022-04-03T02:14:16.343Z

jatwo:

can this TouchOSC template be opened with the newer mk2 version of iOS TouchOSC

seems like mk2 can open mk1 files! from Editor · TouchOSC | hexler.net :

TouchOSC can open touchosc layout files made for TouchOSC Mk1, and some aspects of the import can be configured in the preferences.

jimi23:

Also is this type of MFT integration generalised at Norns system level where I can map parameters in other scripts to CCs, and have that echo back to the MFT LED rings? Or is this a specific implementation to pair the MFT in the Cheat Codes 2 script?

apologies for the delay and thank you @Jonny for the quick assist!
this MFT integration is specific to cc2, where the script sends specific values back to the device’s template to set its LED states. there’s currently no MIDI callbacks baked into the norns parameters system globally, which means that an MFT’s LEDs wouldn’t register similarly with other scripts (unless that script were built for MFT directly, eg. Haze - four track live granular looper).

MIDI callbacks are outlined in this system-level feature request: PARAMETERS: mapping enhancement springboards · Issue #1248 · monome/norns · GitHub.

hope this helps!

jatwo · 2022-04-03T02:24:31.379Z

Thanks specifically for the quick advice and more generally for the supportive environment your create!

kasselvania · 2022-04-07T17:08:57.469Z

@dani_derks I remember there being an early video of Cheat Codes when the Crow functionality was added. It was you sending pings to 3 sisters and having that audio come back in to Cheat Codes.

Is that video still around?

dani_derks · 2022-04-07T17:23:59.602Z