snakes always follow ducks, as the old adage goes :thinking:

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Hello! I’ve been dipping my toes in the awesomeness of cheat codes last week, and I have a question: is there a way to fine-tune the loop start/end points?

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last night’s Late Night Noiz for Late Night Fiends…

initially was experimenting several instruments using Zellen and Cheat Codes but reverted to MANGL and Cheat Codes.
Zellen was just too ā€œcheeryā€ with what i was generating…need to work with it more.
:stuck_out_tongue:

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hey! glad you’re diving in :slight_smile:

on the [loops] page, use E2 and E3 to scrub start/end points within 100ms. were you looking for finer than that?

Yes, finer than that! somewhere in between the ā€œstepsā€

:thinking: do you mean in between the 100ms steps? arc definitely provides this, if you’re arc’d. otherwise, perhaps a param can be exposed to dial in how many ms is an encoder turn delta…hmm.

I reset Norns with unplugged devices as per @okyeron’s advice and that worked.
Initially it looks like all is back in order. Though I have not spent too much time pushing things since restoring order.
I wish I had more specific information of the circumstances when the total breakdown happened (will keep my eyes and ears peeled now) but the only thing I did just before this went down, is that I uploaded a few fairly large .aif files to Norns via Cyberduck. I intended to use them with the various sample mangling apps: like CC, mango, angl etc. These are fairly large: most are within 6-10 min range. Not sure if the size of these files could have caused some difficulties, but that is the only ā€œnewā€ circumstance that directly preceded the freakout.

Incidentally what is the amount of space on Norns that is free for sample storage? As in: where do I look to check if I am maxing the space on the drive out?

Thank you for the brilliant work: I can see myself spending a lot of time with Cheat Codes!

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On Norns, go to the main menu and press key2 to see disk info. It’s top right on the screen.

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Arcless, sadly :sweat_smile: maybe a ā€œshiftā€ key that when pressed multiplies the ms by 0,01?

both great cases for the currently unused K1 on [loops] page. will keep it all in mind, thanks friends :slight_smile:

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Yes, it tells me, I think, how much space I have used:

DISK 1128M

But I am curious how much is available…

Extreme love for this instrument! Well done @dan_derks i am very grateful for your contribution to the community and my own creative journey in turn.
I turned my attention to this last week and after some fits and starts and having eventually worked through this thread I had the following unaddressed thought…
Tap tempo? would love to jam with this and my Rollz 5. a reasonably loose tempo match would be sufficient but dialling it in would be difficult as the tempo only sets pad and pattern quantization correct?
But I seem to think I have read that tap tempo is not available or easy on Norns?

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Just adding that it’s not always clear to hear the tempo from the patterns recorded. I have been laying down some field recordings in clips and would like to improv into some pre pattern written live clips

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@yoyosandshoes, i’m so glad you’re enjoying cheat codes :slight_smile:

tap tempo is in the coming update!

there’s also a very large overhaul of grid pattern recording, syncing to bpm, and adjustments in the update. like, massive improvements w/r/t laying down a tightly locked groove and changing your BPM on the fly. I’ve been having a blast with it and I’m excited to release soon :revolving_hearts:

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the DISK number is your free storage :slight_smile:

2.2gb total storage on stock norns

@dan_derks I just realized that if I want longer loops I can just pitch up when I load then pitch back down && get a delicious serving of downsampling along with it (!!)

almost want to reverse that whole request now cuz I’m realizing u were smart for making this limitation and I’m feeling like I’m better off exploring deeper within it :hole:

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oh shit…yes.

you’re smart. dang. this is good.

If we’re talking about doing these sorts of potentially variable time lengths for buffers, would it be possible to create a method to know that we will be recording a specific number of bars? Like, so we could know a one shot buffer would be 5 bars at our selected time signature?

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I’m curious if this want will change with the update (tight pattern syncing has fully covered my time-based needs), but i think a good compromise toward this might be having a ms/beat param that allows you switch how the recording playhead’s start/end-point indicators move. it’d repurpose stuff the pattern syncing is already doing. let’s say we keep the live buffer length – would this still be interesting with the 8 sec approach? so, 4 bars at 120bpm? :grimacing:

oh, wait, maybe if we apply @andrew’s 1/2 rate approach to live and expose a rate parameter for the record head, that might actually ā€œsolveā€ everything…it’d be a hell of a lot more fun to mess with, for sure.

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Hi There! While working with live buffers, I ran into a periodic audio click issue. I’ll post the sample below. Nothing is clipping anywhere in my chain. This is not a problem for me, as I’ve had this pop up in other norns scripts and have used a gentle pass of RX-7 Declick. But wanted to share in hopes that it could somehow be helpful. Cheers! This script is so wild!

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