Just a bit of perspective for non-brits, this was on Jools Holland, the longest-running, most popular and critically acclaimed music show in the UK.

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what. this is great. really.

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I just love how so very, very honest it is.

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I have so many thoughts on this topic I could easily write an essay here. Instead here are some bullet points:

  • I love computers for music and computer music. More than anything computers made me want to be a musician.

  • I especially love when computer music challenges what it means to play an instrument or give a performance. I 100% support pushing start to initiate some algorithm live and then just guiding it or watching it unfurl.

  • Analog modular synths are a form of computer.

  • Whenever I use some commercial music software, like any DAW or almost any soft synth, I always feel like I’m struggling against the software. It always wants me to work with very traditional assumptions about what music is or how it should be made.

  • Computers are hardware.

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btw anyone in or near London should go to this:

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to link your two posts, best show i saw last year was mark fell pushing play on an algorithm and then drinking coffee.

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Just want to express here that i just finished my first really personal live setup, homemade from scratch in m4l, consisting of 8 one shot samplers and two rené-like sequencer controlled by a 256 and driving my modular synths along samplers loaded with acoustic sounds. Basically a tool to improvise.
Gigging tomorrow with this, totally improvised. I am so happy to end up with something 100% made by myself and that works as i dreamt it would.
It’s so worth it and only computers could allow me this.
It’s been a long journey (to be continued) to learn max and how to interface with the monome but i’ve learnt so much, not just in technic and computing skills, but in music more generally, trying to analyse what’s important, what’s doable, what matters in terms of performance, etc.
Looking back at mlr, or the party van, the same feeling must have been here in the making of them, and there is something really beautiful in making your own thing.

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I think he does that type of thing on purpose as some sort of anti-performance performance. I remember an interview where he talks about leaving a water bottle precariously close to his laptop just to make the audience feel uncomfortable. And then there’s the masterful SND boiler-room where he goes the whole performance without taking off his backpack.

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what a great intro to fell!

i’d heard of him but never listened or bought yet
until now

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Here’s a quote from a recent Helm interview that’s interesting and relevant in many different ways:

It’s ridiculous, you play a gig and people come up to your table and want to take a photo of your equipment and these people are completely missing the point. What I use to play live is not what I actually use to make the music itself. They’re tools that are used to re-create what’s made in the studio, which is impossible to recreate in a live context. I use a couple of samplers and I use a modular synthesizer – mainly for processing, it’s not like an extensive modular. For me it’s no different from using a laptop. It’s funny the perception [of] having a laptop on stage rather than having a couple of samplers. If there’s a laptop on stage people couldn’t give a fuck, but if you have a couple of samplers on stage and a mixer, all of a sudden people are like “ooh, what’s going on?” It’s almost like it’s transformed into this magic show or something. When really it’s just as unremarkable – even more unremarkable, even – as a computer, because on a sampler you’re just pressing buttons and triggering things. My main piece of equipment when I play live is really the mixer, that’s responsible for the changes, and if I didn’t have the mixer then I wouldn’t be able to do what I want to do live.

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I agree with much stated above

The first song I ever made was on a mac in the early 90s in 1st/2nd grade. I couldnt save or record it but that really is remarkable (to me) since that predated any other musical activities and training for violin/trumpet or my personal research in drumming at home.

The bottom line for me is that without computers I would not be a musician and i have no misgivings about using them anymore. But for quite some time I didnt like using a computer for music because I didnt have a reliable one. I didnt trust them

More importantly, the musicians i learned from (ironically enough thru the internet) did not use computers or anything deemed “cold/digital”. Eventually I saw thru that rubbish and now have a healthier understanding of how my tools work and my viewpoint echoes some of what karl typed earlier…everything electronic is basically a computer. (digital sampler, phone, drum machine whatever)

Using a grid with MLR was the first time I was able to make something truly spontaneous, unpredictable and intuitive with my pc. So i have to admit that monomes made me trust the computer in a way that is probably illogical and irrational to other people.

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I hear this sentiment frequently, and it always makes me wonder if people just have really unreliable computers/software in their studio, or if their studios are unnecessarily sprawlingly huge with hardware that could have been effectively emulated in software. I’m of the opinion there is little in the available spectrum of sound design that is not available to me through the software on my Mac.

(The exception would be the mics and rooms available to high end studios, but given my fondness for old-timey recordings where a dozen players might be sharing a single mic, I’m a bit skeptical of the necessity of such luxuries.)

I’m not clear on what it is that makes people feel the need to have drastically different studio/live setups, and I’m entirely willing to concede this may simply be my own ignorance. My stage experience is pretty limited and has thus far not involved any of my electronic music at all, so I imagine there are a lot of unknown unknowns for me in that regard.

What I find a little disappointing about this is that it means the performer doesn’t see the mastery of the instruments they used in the studio as necessary for the performance. Perhaps I have overly romanticized the notion that conceptually binds instrumentalist + performer so closely in my mind, but I don’t go to shows to see the composer or the guy at the sound board. I go to see the musicians.

That’s why I’m trying to pursue a setup that might reasonably work just as well at home as on stage, and vice versa, with a focus on making things happen in the here and now (“live” in the sense of “real time”). I feel this constraint can potentially eliminate this studio/live dichotomy. Basically, treat the studio as a live experience. Maybe I’ll find I’ve been misguided by the time I have a set put together. It’s early days for me in some ways.

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that’s where i’m at now too

modular + octatrack + 128 + mixer = stereo audio out to either PA or recording device

no distinction in setups or mindset between studio and stage

no more buying and selling expensive boxes and swapping of modules (other than a few bits here and there as amazing new complementary modules come out), while trying to maintain a deliberate focus on learning properly what i have … aiming loftily for virtuosity in an instrumental sense (with a long way to go!).

i debated long and hard with my computer self about integrating a computer into the above, but ultimately decided not to, at least for my electronic music … for now … until proven otherwise …

if in a year i’m nowhere to where i want to be musically (and in terms of recorded output) then i’ll reconsider

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been mulling since last nights post and also stumbled on a quote which resonated with me (in a somewhat parallel discussion of push 2 and computers over @ MW)

For me it isn’t so much about getting away from the screen, but getting away from the mouse.

I work extensively with computers during my jobs and, though software is frustrating at times, and staring at a screen for so long is not likely healthy…i have no problem switching gears into a creative mode despite pc’s being closely linked with non-creative part of my day.

The main roadblock for my creativity is usually the mouse. The trackpad has been a slight improvement but is still not an ideal solution.

Trying to circumvent that part of the computer-user experience was the impetus behind exploring external devices for music.

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i also appreciate great performers. but there are “performances” that consist of a very good sound system, a great room, and a genius composer who is simply slightly tuning the room (with a mixer) and these experiences to me are on par with seeing a virtuosic physical feat. it took me a long time to arrive at this appreciation, as many of you know the grid is partially a response to my own awkwardness of playing keyboard-mouse music on stage.

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Also interesting to note: there’s a solid history of music being prepared for presentation on loudspeaker, which mostly dates to people starting to work with tape. In a lot of ways music computers are just an extension of tape.

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I strive to avoid using the mouse while I’m playing. Kind of hard to avoid during parts of the process, so I understand the frustration. It’s a situation that could be improved upon with better software and hardware interaction design, but now we are leaving the realm of music making…

I’d like to see a performance like that.

I also quite fond of performances that put dancers or lights/projections in focus, especially those rare performances in which the choreography, music, and visuals are interactive with one another…

I recently played my first couple shows outside of my home studio. I’ve always hated the thought of gazing at a computer screen while playing in front of an audience. In my set I was using a monome grid with re:mix, and polygnome running in ableton, a couple microphones for vocal sampling in re:mix, and a launch control.

I installed an app called “no sleep” on my mac which enables you to close your macbook without it going to sleep. As soon as I got my set opened up and working correctly I closed my macbook and just played my monome, mics, and launch control. It was interesting to do it that way. I don’t think it made a difference to the audience neccasarily but it was a fun challenge for me. I think I will play with the lid closed again in the future to.

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that is a cool idea
I hadn’t heard of the no sleep app I’ll check it out

there is also an awesome podcast called nosleep always worth a listen