Mine crashes constantly! It’s a bummer though, would have expected it to last much longer

In my opinion it’s not the computer itself that are the villain. It’s the internet connection and all the massively complex software it brings with it.
Just imagine your [insert your favourite instrument] with an internet connection and all the software updates it takes to keep it compatible with the rest of the evolving world.

never thought of it as a problem. i still keep my shitty hp netbook (and i did this rec using that laptop). my mb air is not that powerful either.

To me the Monome is enlightening. It is the only controller I ever had that makes me feel the computer as an instrument, way more than does my Ableton Push. My dream was always a minimalist setup. Still I am learning about it’s possibilities and there is a long way to go. And of course now Monome is towards Eurorack and modular. But since I stick with portability to me the Monome is/stays the perfect interface between me and the software.

That’s why I always love and feel inspired by musicians that work in the box. That’s my strategy against GAS. Another very good example is Loscil.
Here some words from an Loscil interview with Headphone Commute

Tell us about your favorite piece of hardware.
_(…) I don’t use a whole lot of outboard equipment, but because of this, AD and DA conversion is pretty important.(…) the Apogee Quartet, definitely sounds the nicest. I always try to keep my Sony PCM D-50 recorder handy. It’s been a great little portable recorder to have for “point and shoot” style location recording. An I love my Genelec 8020A monitors as well. I worked with these for years as a sound designer so I know their sound well. Of course, the real answer would be “the computer” but that’s kind of boring isn’t it.”

Loscil once said in an interview that he was thinking about getting a Monome. For now his live setup is the laptop, a KMI Q-Neo and a Kenton Killamix. The focus is on the sound. I admit it’s not really performative :slight_smile:

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Utter silliness:

I’m glad I’m not concerned about being perceived as a DJ, or especially, a “real DJ”.

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woof.

cdm has been steadily losing me for a while now, and it’s mainly because of posts with the same tone as this one. could there be more contradictory statements in a single article? i love djing, and hate this kind of non-issue conversation.

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I’ve also noticed the strange tone shift. It’s pretty disappointing. Used to be one of my favorite blogs. I guess it still is, but less so lately.

The crashable stuff tends to be the most interesting to me too, and it’s very much alive and well. I think the difference is now there are a huge array of consumer software products which provide the sort of functionality everyone at one point had to figure out how to implement on their own, so there’s maybe less incentive to program the computer and go down that crashable route…

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That’s a Rehberg quote right?

yup. i’m not that smart :open_mouth:

Ah interesting. Yeah I don’t feel that way at all really. Computers being able to do things that were really hard and crashy before but totally easy and fluid now doesn’t mean they can’t still be pushed to new limits, or that what used to be hard isn’t compelling anymore because it’s easy to do. I only tend to find the crashy reaching stuff a little more interesting because I guess it’s exciting to feel like you’re on some sort of safari into undiscovered territory to some extent.

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I’ve been loving using a raspberry pi for music making for a while now, for a lot of reasons mentioned in this thread - the lack of a screen to stare into/hide behind, the fact I can create a monster modular system only constrained by my (limited) time and (limited!) imagination, and the portability and cost. That last one especially - having dabbled a bit with eurorack, it is great to go back to being able to augment my system or create new ‘modules’ at the cost of a few hours and cups of coffee on a saturday morning.

I suppose my question is when we are going to see people putting out records and gigging with these things? There are plenty of ‘tech demo’ videos kicking around (look! a synth on a raspberry pi!) but precious little in the way of considered composition AFAICS.

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“The uploader has not made this video available in your country.”
:cry:

I just got a RPi, mainly for emulating old consoles while on tour but would also like to dip my toe into music software for it. Are you using SonicPi/SuperCollider? Do you know of any resources for expanding the hardware to include more control devices, or is it all just via USB? How’s the latency for input devices?

I’ve been using Pure Data pretty exclusively, just because I know my way around it pretty well. As far as expanding hardware, there is plenty of fun to be had with teensy boards - reminds me, a friend sent me this link yesterday, which demonstrates the possibilities of the combination. Latency hasn’t been a problem, at least not to my non-conservatorium-trained ears - I think I can wind my patches down to about 15ms, so not bela territory, but good enough for my purposes. Good luck!

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I value the way that computer music lends itself to being transmitted through time as more than just audio recordings. The programs that make up a computer-based work are more durable. More like text, like scores.

An audio recording goes out into the world and people listen to it until people stop caring about it enough that it degrades or gets lost. It’s rare that a recording by itself is compelling enough that people spend their time transcribing it or or otherwise doing their own versions of it.

A score, though, has this kind of engagement as its premise. I think it offers richer possibilities for connecting and generating meaning, especially in a musical tradition that’s so based on structural aspects of sound and timbre.

[EDIT] To clarify… this may seem like a weird criterion for valuing computer-based work, because 99% of it goes out into the world just like anything else, as audio recordings. But, computers offer the possibility of getting pieces out in some more semantic way, and I want to promote that idea.

I more or less got this concern started in my head when helping put on a concert of a Luigi Nono work, turning the score into Max/MSP patches.

Magnus Bugge just released a new EP on Bandcamp—his Aalto patches are available as part of the download. Hard to imagine doing this with analog modulars!

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I find it interesting that many of the above posts relate to computers as an instrument such as in a live performance context. My bent has been toward computer music from the offline / composition angle. I’ve only recently started getting into hardware synths (Eurorack) and learning about how my lack of piano and guitar skills need not hold me back from performing live electronic music.

The infinite flexibility and the unlimited multitracking ability of computers is hard to beat, and soft synths are much cheaper than hardware. So while I can understand the hesitation to use laptops onstage, I think a computer will always be found in my bedroom studio. (But if someone gives me an octotrack and a multitrack tape recorder then I might use the computer a lot less.)

That said, while I’m totally in favor of computers and computer music, it is wonderful to come home from a day of using computers all day for work, and use my hardware modular.

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I’m not sure how a box with a bunch of wires and knobs sticking out of it is somehow more compelling than a box with a keyboard attached to it. My last live performance was a monome, a tape deck, an OTO biscuit, and a Virus synth. And there was a laptop there, acting as the brain-- the monome is fairly useless without one (in this setup, anyway).

Even though the interaction with the laptop was ‘minimal’ (each song was a separate Max patch, and needed to be loaded in) it’s still a dude standing there hitting buttons. What matters is what comes out of the speakers/amps, not what sort of equipment you’re using. I find the weird fetishization of Modular a curious phenomenon. Use the tools you need to get the job done, by all means, but I’m willing to wager that most listeners don’t care what you’re using.

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Most listeners can’t care (they have no idea). And those who can, are more likely to be intrigued by whatever than to be judgy about it.

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[quote=“Toaster, post:80, topic:1748”]
I’m not sure how a box with a bunch of wires and knobs sticking out of it is somehow more compelling than a box with a keyboard attached to it.
[/quote]I need to revisit this thought later

excellent point imo

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