#37

I’ve been looking into ears recently and after seeing this video https://youtu.be/Bv6nDi7i-S8?t=667 it convinced me that I need a contact mic. I have a drumkit and when he runs the cymbals through his modular it just sounds too cool.

#39

I use a Radial Engineering PZ-DI for the same reason, I couldn’t believe it first time I plugged my DIY piezo in it, it’s night and day with and without it. http://www.radialeng.com/pzdi.php

They even include a variable high-pass filter for removing the excess of bottom end you’re finding back when matching impedance (it’s really useful), plus the load is variable with a 3 position switch (electromagnetic/standart/piezo), there’s a pad, an LPF and you can lift the ground.

The only downsides is that it needs +48V and it’s pricey at 220€, I know they also make a simpler, cheaper, version (SB-4), but I’m gonna try your solution for when I need to record various piezo at the same time (can’t afford multiple PZ-DIs right now…)

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#44

If I have a stereo 1/8 mic/line input (sony pcm-m10), would it be worth it to buy this with a xlr to 1/8 cable adapter?

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#45

So you’d be plugging the impedance transformer into the xlr to mini jack adapter and then into your recorder? I think that should work, but it will be rather bulky and you may get a little signal loss from the adapters. It’s not something I’ve tried myself

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#46

yes, that’s what I was hoping to do but maybe you’re right that it would be an overly complicated setup. JrF says that his microphones don’t need a preamp so I’ll try those but I wanted to extend the frequency range on my cheaper contact mics as well

#49

Not sure if anyone mentioned this but there are 2 great tricks for getting better sound out of piezos.
First method: solder them to a mono jack in the usual way, then use a DI box. This alters the impedance and provides a good mic-level signal for any mixing desk.

Second method: some piezos have a two-part zinc contact in the middle. If you solder these to a balanced mic cable like this:
small contact = +
big contact = -
copper disc = screen
Stick an xlr on the other end and use any mixing desk or mic pre. Because the signal is sort-of balanced you can get away with very long cables without interference.

Or buy one of Jez’s mics, they sound great. Piezo foil is nice too but you have to get that from the states these days afaik. xgus

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#52

I’ve been interested and n Hanna Hartman recently https://vimeo.com/82784209 partly as I’ve recently realised that my Octatrack actually works really well by plugging my Contact Mics straight into the inputs.

I thought it could be a useful thread to document ideas or techniques useful with contact mics.

Something I always keep is old guitar strings which I tie together and use as an agitator.

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#53

whilst contact mics / piezo elements work fine plugged directly into things, two notes:

  • piezo elements can make REALLY large voltages. so you’re assuming the thing you’re plugging them into is correctly buffered or limited. most of the time: things are. but remember this!
  • in general, I’ve always found piezos sound much better with a simple preamp after them. You get this very mid-dy sound from an unamplified piezo, and even the simplest amp makes a huge. difference. Here’s an explanation of why this is and here’s how simple you can make a totally fine amp
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#54

I have a few of those preamps that are made to fit into guitar bodies…the very cheap ones from china ( god knows what the guitars you’d cut into for these would be like!) i house them in little wooden boxes.

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added bonus of battery holder and vol&eq sliders for less than £10-ISH. The results are decently mid fi. I often use the guitar bridge style piezos as well as they come with a tiny jack at the end.

this kind of thing. I go for the ebay-cheap-china- wait a month for it.

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#55

I was wondering if these https://www.contactmicrophones.com/products-bxcm.html would sound better than my JFR ones being buffered. Although I have a Sound Devices Mix Pre D I use with some dpa mics, maybe a jack to xlr converter would improves things.

I do find that they aren’t very full bodied sounding. I know people who swear by the Barcus Berry preamp combo but would like to get the most out of what I have.

#56

Are these your own devices, they look really interesting?

#57

Just watched the hartman video- i dont know her but it struck me as art performance peice…quite captivating visually with all the tubes. Liked the washers on metal rod. I can imagine trying differnt diameters to get the best effect there. Perhaps the subtly of what she was going for wasnt matched by the live sound on the video. strangely short too.

#58

yes …have a small collection of self build peizo intruments

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love spings.

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#59

The mic/pre combo @infovore posted is available as the cortado, which seems to sound really great.

The Cold Gold pieces are real inspirational in terms of form – their idea to solder an alligator clip onto the mic yields some incredible results, and their hydrophone is awesome. (a friend has been recording the Hudson River thawing and freezing, and the results are wild).

When I was building contact mics in college, we would get “liquid tape” or “plastidip” and coat the mics so they would be waterproof, and a little more sturdy. The piezo discs are notoriously brittle, so reinforcing them can be helpful, especially if they’re really thin. Some of them are mounted on a thicker brass backing, which is sturdier but still not hard to bend to the breaking point.

My favorite contact transducer EVEERRRR is the Barcus Berry. These things are so incredible. Transparent and very sensitive. Not waterproof, which is a shame, but you can work around that if you want to.

My friend Kaori Suzuki did a recording in the San Francisco Bay of a flagpole in the wind, and it was sticking out of a dock that rose and fell with the water. The chain clicking against the pole made these incredible laser sounds, and the dock scraped and squeaked against the base of the pole. Super beautiful piece.

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#60

I have Sondbox from Leaf Audio, plus some contact mic contraptions I’ve built myself, love that stuff! The soundbox actually works well as a preamp and since it is battery powered it seems to add less noise than other preamps I have (though I need to see if changing the PSU on the Field Kit does improve things).

#61

I have the Crank Sturgeon Two Timer stereo contact mic:

http://www.cranksturgeon.com/PIEZOCRANK.html

I got a stereo 1/8" to dual mono 1/4" adapter and I plug it straight into my Zoom H4n. It sounds amazing! No loss of low end and none of that cheap mid sound. Very low noise too.

I like to put it on cardboard/wooden boxes and fill the boxes with various objects/materials. I’ll pour some salt or rice in there for extra texture. I also just grab stuff from the kitchen I can bang on. Getting a pair of wire brushes was also a great idea. I definitely want to build some cool custom boxes like @Zedkah. (very cool stuff by the way!)

After I record I usually load the files into Ableton via the SD card then then EQ/compress them. Even do some audio quantizing sometimes. Then I send everything out of my Expert Sleepers ES8 through the modular and back into Ableton.

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#62

@Zedkah Inspiring stuff! I’ve built some (much simpler) piezo instruments like this to interact with my field kit. This got me motivated to keep at it :slight_smile: The first two in your last post looks particularly interesting. Do you have any sound demos of them in use?

Tomoko Sauvage is another artist working with liquids and transducers/piezo-elements. I’m lucky enough to see her perform this coming month!

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#63

Liking this a lot, thanks for the link…on Bandcamp already :+1:t2:

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#64

@rmro She’s great! There’s another project she’s involved in together with Franscesco Cavaliere called Green Music which I really dig also. Worth checking out.

Not sure it’s been mentioned before but Leafcutter John made these really high class looking piezo mics for a while, check this video he put up on IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/BRdO4PnFgyV/

#65

Any more info on this build? I’ve been intrigued by it for a while, but would love some tips on where to start.