#223

yes, it can run both , so you can also do things like use it as a bridge between usb device->midi din.
Note: it uses the MAA specification for TRS, like Korg.

USB host is really useful, e.g. ive used the organelle to connect to an ES-8 for cv for eurorack :slight_smile:

yeah, I wished this too… but now its improved compatibility with wifi dongles at least makes this easier, and if you’re using wifi you tend to use the sdcard for patches, so that frees up the USB slot used for the USB drive.

no reason, that you couldn’t send the organelle display over wifi to a phone…thats kind of what i do with orac and lemur - but could be made more generic.

I’ll say though, when I use a phone as a display for the rPI, it never feels as convenient as having something on the instrument - i think ‘ideal’ is to have a limited display on the instrument, then use a phone for more ‘extended’ features

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#224

yep! :wink:
anyway, organelle, the modular G2 and the op-1 are the best purchases that I ever made

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#225

yeah… I follow your works and I thank you for your effort and the great sw and solution that you have made. i have to tried your tips and suggests :wink:

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#226

just noticed, they are throwing in a wifi stick , so this is a bit of a moot point :slight_smile:

I guess this will replace the USB storage stick(?) , though the OS still supports the USB storage as an option.

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#227

Wait, did you make the animation?

#228

Woah! I gotta get in on that action.

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#229

nay, just a fan of fun silly playful vibes

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#230

Looks really nice! I can’t help but to think stereo speakers would have been a ton of fun though. Probably would have made it a bit too big, but one speaker on each side would have been so cool!

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#231

Yeah and a sub woofer on the bottom!!

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#232

And a color touch screen… dipped in LSD.

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#233

I keep swaying on the Organelle.It has a lot of attractive things going on with it. As I don’t really do programming - not even on my Axoloti - I’d be tied to available patches, but thats probably okay at this stage with Orac & everything else.

My biggest question mark is around sampling - I’d like to use to capture jams that run into minutes - could it cope with that sort of thing? i.e. very long samples? And using Orac could it playback those same samples? Would the audio get crunched?

On another note, why put a speaker on it? Who needs that?

#234

I actually like it a lot , its great using outside when you are out n’ about - its a good size, and you get a pretty good sound from it. I think it was a wise move having a large speaker so its loud enough - and mono is fine - as you’d not get much stereo separation if it was the length of the organelle.

the answer is yes… you’ll get more record/playback time due to it having twice the memory.

but lets consider some details - there are two aspects to this…

directly streaming from the sdcard - these can be up to the available size of the sdcard, but we need to consider the speed of the sdcard - this is only appropriate where you want to play forwards i.e. no random access. (speed of card will also limit playback speed).
(id really like to do some tests on the organelle-m, to see what sustain write speeds i can get using a class 10 sdcard … and check to see if we get an audio issues due to the increase IO traffic)

using ram for samples - ok, so organelle-1 had 512mb, organelle-m has 1gb. but its even ‘better’ than that … the organelle-1 ram was also used for the OS/pd/patch… so might have only had (lets say) 256mb for samples, but the organelle-m will have 768mb … so thats 3 times as much.

note: as a reference point, uncompressed audio at 44.1k sample rate, 16 bit stereo 30 mins = ~300 MB. i’d need to do some tests with PD to see how that translates in real terms.

note: generally sample recording/playback is bound by memory, its pretty low cpu usage.

all these are only ‘example figures’, i need to actually measure it to see what we really get in real life.

so yeah, i think the organelle-m will be better for samples and things like loop recording, and as i get time i’ll do some tests to see what we get.
(my plan is to add a tape module to orac … as i know its something many users want)

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#235

a quick video I did on the Organelle-M

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#236

The Organelle definitely needed a refresh with more memory and processing speed, which is fantastic!

However, everything else about this turns me off. I don’t want a bigger unit. When I want a speaker I can add a much better one. When I want battery power I can add a pack. That’s the benefit of having a multi-purpose audio computing device, after all. You start with a core that you can customise.

What I most want is an Organelle Pro without the toy keyboard but with a bigger screen.

The answer might be Norns, which is why I am here. :slight_smile:

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#237

  • It sounds like the 3.0 software update will get a lot closer to being that.

  • Raspberry Pi w/ PiSound, Orac, and a cheap tablet is closer still.

  • It’s not a toy keyboard. It’s a minimalist set of buttons that every developer can count on you having. A standardized interface defines any platform.

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#238

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I think @greaterthanzero points to it here

But basically yes, the standardized interface defines the platform and it seems like you’re asking Organelle to be Norns ? Organelle, if you look at it from a design perspective, has always been more clearly “self contained” oriented than norns (more buttons, more knobs, slightly bigger footprint), and so it only makes sense after all that it’s trying to be even more standalone (no additionnal speaker to add, longer battery life etc.)

Norns can be considered self contained as well actually (I use it without grid a lot more than I thought I would) but it’s clearly more the way you describe it, the brain for a multi-device approach that fits your need, with a bigger clearer screen.

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#239

The fact that I don’t completely known what you mean by this suggests that I might not be suited to making it work, but I always fancied playing with the things that Organelle worked on but couldn’t manage to justify buying one. I always thought they ran PureData programmes but, aside from being aware that there were PD apps for my iOS devices, I don’t know a lot more about any of it

#240

So maybe my Fates project running Orac2* might fit the bill for you if you’re into a slightly more DIY approach?

*Orac2 support/integration coming soonish I hope. I’m sending a board to @TheTechnobear today :slight_smile:

Organelle runs PureData patches. Orac gives you a “modular” implementation of PD patches and it can run on Organelle or Raspberry Pi. Thus you can get a similar Organelle experience using just a RasPi + sound-card/DAC

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#241

Ah, then I wasn’t all that far away with my naive assumptions!

#242

Thanks for pointing this out! I suck at hardware DIY but I totally support makers like yourself. In fact I am having a mixer made as we speak. Next up is a portable zither. :slight_smile:

I am familiar with Orac and love what it can do. I am all in favour of modular standardised interfaces because they can lead to just such powerful and flexible software.

Right now my music system is based around Reaktor and Max on a laptop. I find pd quite limiting compared with these. And I find most hardware very restrictive compared with a computer. Nonetheless the RaspPi cores that devices like Norns are based on have immense potential. I keep waiting for something compelling enough to justify the cost.

I’m interested in a customisable stand-alone sequencer. And maybe one of these host-based systems would get me there.

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