^^ crow help: max and max for live

glia · 2019-10-23T16:45:28.004Z

been a busy few days for me but are any new m4l objects ready to test? also have both my crow installed

dan_derks · 2019-10-23T16:47:07.614Z

~~tear into 'em: https://github.com/monome/crow-max-and-m4l/tree/dndrks-crow-max-and-m4l~~

docs not updated yet so DM if you run into trouble, would rather keep it centralized until we finalize testing. also, thank you thank you thank you for testing!!

edit: everything’s working, official release tomorrow

glia · 2019-10-23T17:20:37.936Z

testing connection and nothing crashed so far

one question…how do i tell them apart? command center makes it easy (i know ^^jf is 131, and the other one is 121…they are on seperate ii busses)

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but for other m4l devices i’m confused which is 1 or 2…is that assigned depending which i plugged into the usb port 1st?

voidstar · 2019-10-23T17:24:51.726Z

You tell each command center to be 1 or 2 in its “address” tab. That assignment will be saved with your live set.

You then match each M4L device’s address to the command center corresponding to the crow you wish to connect to.

For now, you will just have to check which crow is which when you use the connection drop down menu… but we are working on a system for saving which hardware crow is associated with which command center and storing that with the live set as well.

glia · 2019-10-23T17:40:21.192Z

Perfect

I forgot that’s what yall decided on.

Deru · 2019-10-24T21:18:42.342Z

I’m having a hard time getting triggers from Ansible to trigger the CV-MIDI notes. The arpeggiator mode works but I can’t get triggers into input 2 on Crow to trigger in the Max4Live patch. Have you had luck?

I’ve tried all kinds of triggers BTW. None seem to work.
I’ve also verified that my input 2 does indeed read levels. I’m stumped.

Thx!

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dan_derks · 2019-10-25T02:05:54.289Z

super weird, not having any similar trouble – running Kria into mine rn:

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is the block animation to the right of the device not triggering? and you’re running Kria?

Deru · 2019-10-25T03:08:11.556Z

Huh. Strange.
I am running Kria but no, I don’t see any animation on the right. Hmmmmm

If I run the same setup in Max I do see the triggers coming in on input 2 so I know the input works btw.

dan_derks · 2019-10-25T03:39:02.541Z

mmm. i’m not running 1.0.1 yet on my crow, brb

edit: updated, still working on my side.

@Deru, can you try pasting this into a blank max patcher and let me know if it detects your triggers through input 2?


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oh, I just saw this:

Deru:

If I run the same setup in Max I do see the triggers coming in on input 2 so I know the input works btw.

what does this mean exactly? like, you open the .amxd file in Max and it detects triggers? or you set up your own patch? either way, plz lmk what happens with that example above?

edit: oh, also, the order of selecting an input and a trigger behavior matter (for now). first, select your input to monitor for CV, then choose your trigger source as alt input. does that help?

Molotov · 2019-10-25T12:45:37.601Z

These look awesome, going to have a play this weekend.
Which m4l device do I need to send data from norns to ableton via crow? For example, to control a vst with less concepts?

dan_derks · 2019-10-25T13:11:01.991Z

Molotov:

Which m4l device do I need to send data from norns to ableton via crow?

unfortunately, not possible through crow. crow can only connect to one USB host, either ableton live or norns. you could use two usb midi interfaces to connect norns and your laptop, but that’d be the only way to achieve sending midi data from norns to live at the moment.

fwiw, i’ll be releasing a crow-ified m4l version of less concepts in the next few weeks tho

Molotov · 2019-10-25T13:41:16.800Z

Ah OK, thanks for the info. Still massively excited about trying these

voidstar · 2019-10-25T15:20:56.285Z

My USB hub crapped out on me this morning… RIP the days of laptops with 4xUSB…

I have to postpone livestream to Monday - sorry!

Deru · 2019-10-25T18:00:04.415Z

Ahhhhh… For some reason it’s working today!

edit: oh, also, the order of selecting an input and a trigger behavior matter (for now). first, select your input to monitor for CV, then choose your trigger source as alt input . does that help?

Maybe this had something to do with it? Yesterday I was messing about and changing all of these drop-downs so maybe I just had to restart and select them in order.

I’m running Crow 1.0 BTW, and what I meant was that the Crow object in Max was detecting the gates, not the M4L object. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

Anyway, seems all good now thanks!
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Olivier · 2019-10-26T00:51:42.518Z

This might be more of a general Ableton question, but is it possible to send a trigger to a crow input that in turn triggers a sampler/simpler, without having to use both the cv-to-cc and cv-to-note blocks from the ^^ins device (which, from testing, seems to necessitate using both inputs simultaneously)? Basically, I’m hoping to leave the other input free of pitch duties in order to receive other modulation…

glia · 2019-10-26T01:17:45.092Z

anybody have success with macros yet?

i setup quick test that works elsewhere (druid, derwydd)
but trying to trigger with my keyboard does not work…

output[1].volts = -1
output[1].volts = -.7
output[1].volts = -.4

i put each one in a separate box, but are those commands too small for macro?

dan_derks · 2019-10-26T01:48:41.441Z

something like this?

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just a test, quick 'n dirty. establish a ^^command_center, throw this on a track, throw a standard “note length” device in after, then simpler/sampler after that, change the base note to change the pitch.

whole chain’ll look like this:

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sounds like this (modulated slope generator making triggers):

crim · 2019-10-26T01:57:22.839Z

macros mostly works for me. I’m not using a midi keyboard but I did set up a midi arpeggiator clip to play notes C2-G2 and trigger 8 different macros.

Ableton seems to add quotes around your lua if you close and reopen a session, so you have to remove those. You can also see in druid if your macro code is throwing an error for some reason.

I actually find that multiline lua seems to work less well? I occasionally get this error when triggering a longer macro:

[string “eval”]: 2: unexpected symbol near ‘`’

I don’t think it’s anything I’m typing incorrectly because there aren’t any backticks in my lua.

Olivier · 2019-10-26T02:14:38.979Z

Hell yes!!! This looks perfect

EDIT: Hmm…tried loading the device in a track but it doesn’t seem to be responding to my incoming trigger (the ^^ins device is detecing activity just fine, though). Will test a bit more in the am…

nattog · 2019-10-26T14:45:49.659Z

Got a bug:

Running Mojave 10.14.3

Open Ableton Live 10
Add ^^command_center to Midi track and select crow
Add ^^jf_synth to another midi track
Add ^^outs to another midi track

Click different options in outs… Ableton closes. I can get it to do this about 60% of the times i try to reproduce it. I’ve saved the contents of the report you can send to Apple when an app crashes - happy to share if would help

Edit: I’d not tracked any updates to the M4L devices, have updated and will report back if i can reproduce again.

Edit 2: Answer is yes, can reproduce.