^^ crow help: max and max for live

dan_derks · 2019-10-25T03:39:02.541Z

mmm. i’m not running 1.0.1 yet on my crow, brb

edit: updated, still working on my side.

@Deru, can you try pasting this into a blank max patcher and let me know if it detects your triggers through input 2?


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oh, I just saw this:

Deru:

If I run the same setup in Max I do see the triggers coming in on input 2 so I know the input works btw.

what does this mean exactly? like, you open the .amxd file in Max and it detects triggers? or you set up your own patch? either way, plz lmk what happens with that example above?

edit: oh, also, the order of selecting an input and a trigger behavior matter (for now). first, select your input to monitor for CV, then choose your trigger source as alt input. does that help?

Molotov · 2019-10-25T12:45:37.601Z

These look awesome, going to have a play this weekend.
Which m4l device do I need to send data from norns to ableton via crow? For example, to control a vst with less concepts?

dan_derks · 2019-10-25T13:11:01.991Z

Molotov:

Which m4l device do I need to send data from norns to ableton via crow?

unfortunately, not possible through crow. crow can only connect to one USB host, either ableton live or norns. you could use two usb midi interfaces to connect norns and your laptop, but that’d be the only way to achieve sending midi data from norns to live at the moment.

fwiw, i’ll be releasing a crow-ified m4l version of less concepts in the next few weeks tho

Molotov · 2019-10-25T13:41:16.800Z

Ah OK, thanks for the info. Still massively excited about trying these

voidstar · 2019-10-25T15:20:56.285Z

My USB hub crapped out on me this morning… RIP the days of laptops with 4xUSB…

I have to postpone livestream to Monday - sorry!

Deru · 2019-10-25T18:00:04.415Z

Ahhhhh… For some reason it’s working today!

edit: oh, also, the order of selecting an input and a trigger behavior matter (for now). first, select your input to monitor for CV, then choose your trigger source as alt input . does that help?

Maybe this had something to do with it? Yesterday I was messing about and changing all of these drop-downs so maybe I just had to restart and select them in order.

I’m running Crow 1.0 BTW, and what I meant was that the Crow object in Max was detecting the gates, not the M4L object. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

Anyway, seems all good now thanks!
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Olivier · 2019-10-26T00:51:42.518Z

This might be more of a general Ableton question, but is it possible to send a trigger to a crow input that in turn triggers a sampler/simpler, without having to use both the cv-to-cc and cv-to-note blocks from the ^^ins device (which, from testing, seems to necessitate using both inputs simultaneously)? Basically, I’m hoping to leave the other input free of pitch duties in order to receive other modulation…

glia · 2019-10-26T01:17:45.092Z

anybody have success with macros yet?

i setup quick test that works elsewhere (druid, derwydd)
but trying to trigger with my keyboard does not work…

output[1].volts = -1
output[1].volts = -.7
output[1].volts = -.4

i put each one in a separate box, but are those commands too small for macro?

dan_derks · 2019-10-26T01:48:41.441Z

something like this?

crow_trigger.amxd (41.7 KB)

just a test, quick 'n dirty. establish a ^^command_center, throw this on a track, throw a standard “note length” device in after, then simpler/sampler after that, change the base note to change the pitch.

whole chain’ll look like this:

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sounds like this (modulated slope generator making triggers):

crim · 2019-10-26T01:57:22.839Z

macros mostly works for me. I’m not using a midi keyboard but I did set up a midi arpeggiator clip to play notes C2-G2 and trigger 8 different macros.

Ableton seems to add quotes around your lua if you close and reopen a session, so you have to remove those. You can also see in druid if your macro code is throwing an error for some reason.

I actually find that multiline lua seems to work less well? I occasionally get this error when triggering a longer macro:

[string “eval”]: 2: unexpected symbol near ‘`’

I don’t think it’s anything I’m typing incorrectly because there aren’t any backticks in my lua.

Olivier · 2019-10-26T02:14:38.979Z

Hell yes!!! This looks perfect

EDIT: Hmm…tried loading the device in a track but it doesn’t seem to be responding to my incoming trigger (the ^^ins device is detecing activity just fine, though). Will test a bit more in the am…

nattog · 2019-10-26T14:45:49.659Z

Got a bug:

Running Mojave 10.14.3

Open Ableton Live 10
Add ^^command_center to Midi track and select crow
Add ^^jf_synth to another midi track
Add ^^outs to another midi track

Click different options in outs… Ableton closes. I can get it to do this about 60% of the times i try to reproduce it. I’ve saved the contents of the report you can send to Apple when an app crashes - happy to share if would help

Edit: I’d not tracked any updates to the M4L devices, have updated and will report back if i can reproduce again.

Edit 2: Answer is yes, can reproduce.

voidstar · 2019-10-26T15:06:27.948Z

crim:

Ableton seems to add quotes around your lua if you close and reopen a session, so you have to remove those.

Since Ableton adds those quotes, ^^macros should automatically remove them so you don’t need to do it every time you open the session; this is already in the latest update. If a macro starts with a doublequote mark, it will strip the first and last character (as far as I know there is no valid Lua code which starts with a quote, so this seems fine to me). I am working on a fix so that it does not reload the double-quote marks every time you open your set, but you should be able to send your macros through fine even if the whole thing is wrapped in quotes.

crim:

You can also see in druid if your macro code is throwing an error for some reason.

I would not recommend having druid connected and a ^^command_center at the same time. If you want to see printouts from the REPL while using M4L devices, load the ^^derwydd device and use its printout.

crim:

I actually find that multiline lua seems to work less well? I occasionally get this error when triggering a longer macro:

Which version of the repo are you using? There have been some changes going on in the background that affected multi-line support and may be related to what you are seeing but it should be back to normal soon.

voidstar · 2019-10-26T15:14:43.342Z

glia:

but trying to trigger with my keyboard does not work…

do you mean your computer keyboard?

there are two ways to do this:

Using the number keys on the computer keyboard: the Ableton focus must be on that device (i.e. click anywhere in the black background of the device, but not the title bar or in the actual text entry boxes. When you are using something else in ableton (e.g. you just adjusted a volume fader on another track), this method won’t work!
Using MIDI to activate each macro - you can do this via a MIDI clip, or via a MIDI device - if the latter, make sure Track is on in the Ableton MIDI preferences for that device, and make sure the MIDI track has that device selected as a MIDI input and is armed (red record button). Alternativley you can use your computer keyboard as a MIDI Input. To do this, make sure the computer MIDI keyboard icon in the upper right corner (looks like piano keys) is activated. Now, your computer keys act like the keys on a MIDI piano. You should see midi illuminating on the corresponding track.

NB: you should see a little light illuminate next to each macro whenever it is activated!

shreeswifty · 2019-10-26T15:23:55.361Z

i ordered a Crow & a Norns – i love M4L
here’s a amxd i just starting fooling with

Dropbox

DEEPFRZ.amxd.zip

Shared with Dropbox

dan_derks · 2019-10-26T15:24:18.310Z

thanks for the dutiful testing and sorry to hear about the trouble! seems like this is device specific most of the time. plz send over exact steps to reproduce, the crash reports, and Max version to help@monome.org?

crim · 2019-10-26T15:56:32.769Z

Thanks @voidstar , I didn’t realize there had been updates. My local branch is “behind ‘origin/master’ by 15 commits.” I’ll get the latest changes and test it out.

Bman · 2019-10-27T00:50:54.508Z

Sorry for nob question, but the command center does not recognize my crow and when I open Max I am getting a error opening serial port connection. I was able to get druid running after an initial similar error, but cannot seem to get anything out of my crow when I upload script through druid either. Running a Windows 10 machine, which made everything initially difficult as well…

dan_derks · 2019-10-27T00:55:00.842Z

totally valid question! i don’t have a windows machine at the moment and @voidstar might be out of commission with USB hub drama, but can you share the exact error you’re getting in Max? perhaps we can chase something down in the meantime — sorry to hear about the trouble!

edit: any shot these steps help? https://www.virtual-serial-port.org/articles/com-port-on-windows-10/

voidstar · 2019-10-27T01:24:18.020Z

Bman:

but the command center does not recognize my crow and when I open Max I am getting a error opening serial port connection

When you instantiate the crow object, it is normal to get the error first, but you should then see the line below (it may say COMn where n is some other number, or it may say USB Serial Device instead of crow: telephone line) - in any case, you should see the error first, then the COMn line.

Also, make sure druid is closed when trying to connect via Max or M4L, and vice versa!