Ahh, yes, the sandbenders. I took a roundabout way of reading Gibson’s work. First it was Sprawl, then Blue Ant, then what I’m hoping is called Jackpot, and lastly Bridge. I loved the world of Bridge.

There’s also a whole discussion to be had about the sustainability of the electronics industrial complex, mining of silicon, shanzhais. We’ve all been so programming to envision the future being made of metal by media (don’t get me wrong, I love Bladerunner as much as the next) that it is hard to imagine an alternative. But there are many!

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Between this and your writings about Halt and Catch Fire, you got my whole heart infovore. :metal: :heart:

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where can we find this?

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https://infovore.org/archives/2020/03/23/the-thing-that-gets-you-to-the-thing/ in twenty characters…

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Lots more cool projects to explore: https://www.nime.org/past-nimes/

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Yeah, that one on BACK7 is my favorite, so far. Only thing is that I saw that about the same time as they announced the new camera module, which requires ribbon cable access–apparently not included in the build (there are workarounds evident, however). I love those mil-spec GPIO ports–very clever–but it’s the ortholinear keyboard that really made it stand out for me. :nerd_face:

Found some more interesting builds:

It’s not a cyberdeck, but I’ve had an idea along those lines making use of a NUC9 interchangeably for studio and performance work, basically by leaving out the GPU and opting for an ADAT soundcard, instead. While I had conceived of it for use with a portable multitouch screen, I hadn’t considered VR as an alternative until just now (though I had separately been interested in using Virtual Desktop with a DAW), as the NUC9 can apparently handle VR.

Anyway, I’m now thinking it could be interesting to mod one of those new NUC chassis in the fashion of a cyberdeck, particularly since leaving out the GPU would leave plenty of room, I think both volumetrically and thermally, to build into the case. It would be a ridiculously expensive and overpowered rig as far as cyberdecks go, however, and I think that otherwise one would have to go the mini-ITX route anyhow to squeeze adequate power into that form-factor

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I don’t know what makes a cyberdeck a cyberdeck (or even if that’s an important distinction) I think as a base rule some level of customization seems integral, and portability. Reading the original Gibson stories I felt the characters were working with modular computer products. At the time the concept of 3D printing and rapid manufacturing wasn’t well known, so I think it’s really cool reality has out cyberpunked cyberpunk.

@infovore thanks for reminding me of sandbenders! The link to Ciat Lonbarde is a brilliant connection. Idoru is an underrated Gibson book imo. I remember seeing the first footage of VRchat and being elated it had finally been made real.

@RMBLRX it makes me wonder when manufactures will begin to notice this movement. Mini-ITX is already a thing. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I despise laptops as a form of object. Very excited to see where all this leads.

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I am thinking of building some kind of audio outputting device with a screen and, maybe, based on a Raspberry Pi. At first to run Pure data patches as that is what i have the most confidence in at the moment.
I’m pretty sure this isn’t a cyber deck. Perhaps a ‘computing platform device’. What is the right term?
Id like to use the screen for choosing a patch. knowing what parameters each encoder knob is currently assigned to and its value. nothing arty…I like those epaper screens. (inkywhat) though they are small.

Only just started to think about this - its very half baked set of ideas at the moment. The thing could grow a bit in scope as I learn stuff and get more ideas. what inputs and outs.

probably could be a different thread. but i’m very interested in the self-build-something-with-a -screen at some point.

what form factor do you envisage as an alternative? because most of the cyberdecks I’ve seen, cool as they are, seem much bulkier and more awkward to use than a laptop.

Mmm. Good quote. It does make me ask:

What would a computer that I love be like?

Something to think about.

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To be honest I don’t know! I just know I dislike the bright, awkward, hot, metal rectangle I’m forced to grapple with every day.

I think AR interfaces will become more compelling over time. I’ve had a chance to try a beta version of the hololens. I wasn’t entirely convinced bit it did allow me a glimpse into the horizon of what’s ahead. The intangibility of it bothered me. It also seems to be one of those vapour technologies. I think we are 3 or 4 years away still from a big breakthrough.

I think the comparison of Sandbenders to Ciat Lonbarde again is apt. There are many things a computer can be. I’m right now daydreaming about material exploration. Or new form factors. I’m fascinated in modular with the turn towards micro-skiffs. It’s not at all how I would have envisioned modular 4-5 years ago.

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is it more about purpose-built computing skiffs, rather than the everything devices we use?

by that definition, norns is a cyberdeck, albeit one that doesn’t adhere to the cyberpunk cosplay aesthetic.

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I would absolutely agree. Norns is the first music cyberdeck. I am no fan of synthwave or the associated aesthetics. But the POINT of this movement remains salient. Reinventing what is a computer. The fundamental shape of the computer

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For my part I tend to agree with @dianus on this for three reasons:

  1. Trackpads

  2. Ubiquitously crumby keyboards

  3. Lack of modularity/upgradeability

Now, cyberdecks don’t always fix #1, but they do tend to make them less prominent features (in other words, they tend get them out of the way and focus on the keyboard). #2 is definitely an area where cyberdecks can shine, as they tend to be very friendly form-factors for the inclusion of one’s choice of keyboard (without a more undesirable keyboard getting in the way).

#3 is pretty obviously the main point of cyberdecks and and actually includes the other two, although here I’m referring to everything else, particularly the screen, battery, and computer components. The benefits of the screen and battery being properly modular is, I think, self-evident, but when it comes to computer components, the situation seems a bit more complex: Generally, small-form-factor computers make it impossible to upgrade most parts because of the demands of the form, and so, instead, the computer itself becomes a module.

This last bit is of particular interest to me given the approach I’ve been contemplating of late regarding a portable setup focused mainly on running a text editor (well, emacs). I’ve been ambivalent on whether to rely on my phone as the computer (with a small USB-C hub and Termux, given the inadequacy of Android for this purpose, otherwise) or a Raspberry Pi 4 with a battery; luckily everything I’m considering for this purpose (a portable multi-touch monitor with its own battery, my Planck Light keyboard) has uses for me beyond this (I can hardly say the same for most of the several laptops of which I’ve come into possession over the years, and not for lack of trying).

My difficulty with this approach compared to a laptop is the sheer number of loose items, the necessary cables, and the constant plugging and unplugging that would be required to stow them properly between uses. I have to imagine that any solution to this would look a lot like a cyberdeck, but that it need not be too terribly unwieldy (and indeed, not many of those mentioned in this thread are all that cumbersome). I do have to say though that I’m kind of keen to adapt an approach somewhat like this, as I am quite fond of MOLLE:

MTS-Pack

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Found this thing today, thought it fit the bill pretty well :slight_smile: I love these monochrome screens… I can almost feel the low the latency responses to keypresses… ahhhh… Not quite a cyberdeck by definition but the aesthetic is there.

https://trmm.net/MDT9100

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Also this scene from Johnny Mneumonic reminds me of the idea… pull together a bunch of components and bam you have a custom computer…

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This makes me want to watch that movie…

Just realized I haven’t watched it since 1998 or so…? Confused the hell out of me as a kid.

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Reminds me of the Pipboy from Fallout New Vegas (that one was yellow/orange by default, I believe, the others are green), a tried and true fictional cyberdeck-ish piece of video gaming:

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Found what looks to be an essential accessory for your cyber deck (no affiliation)

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20 chars of backed.

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wow that’s cool and interestingly related with the Johnny Mnemonic video above, in that movie there is a dolphin hacker that uses ultrasonic waves to hack government satellites.

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