Democracy


#760

That jam is so good. Thanks for posting.

Sometimes I think a little radical universal empathy is good, too (don’t bother watching the “video”)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0OdNY8Aybw][last thoughts on woody guthrie]


#761

I’ve loved Heidi Matthews since she was on The Unregistered Podcast. Recently she was on the Dead Pundit’s Society podcast talking about…(I’ll just show a pic of her tweet and you can decide if you find it interesting enough to listen to)09


#762

what is her, like, actual claim on Roe v. Wade?? “Neoliberal mess” for me scans as basically meaningless, considering that it involved the highest levels of the US government in the latter part of the 20th or early 21st century :sweat_smile:


#763

That all registered as noise for me, sorry @Angela. Not feeling it.


#764

(bare in mind I’ve only listened to it once and I found it to be really dense in parts…so, you know… Disclaimer!)
She talks about how Roe v Wade fundamentally is about how states shouldn’t interfere (burden) a person when they’re trying to purchase medical care.
She talks about how it should be a “positive right” instead of just relying on this one court case, that is at it’s core really about a libertarian ideal. So she would like it to be a more specific, protected, right. Just like marriage for same sex couples isn’t a positive right and relies on another such tangential court case. That it should be pushed further in that direction.
What else…? Oh:
When Hillary (a neoliberal democrat) described abortions she said they should be “Safe, legal, and rare”. There’s a reason that “free” is left off of that list…neoliberals are not into socialized medicine.


#765

Short of revolution (a topic I’ll come back to, stay tuned) these “tangential” court cases are the only thin line we have between a more just society and the all out patriarchy of just a few decades ago.

And when I hear “neoliberal” (it’s always a slander) I think of this:


#766

I… I get the joke, but I’d probably like it if the point were political engagement more broadly, as opposed to voting. Like. Part of the problem of gerrymandering is it makes obvious how politically established parties would like to solidify their control to an extent to where voting is literally meaningless as opposed to merely statistically insignificant.


@Angela Ah, that’s a fair point and much better than the tweet. I will say, “but guys, it really should be like this” is kind of a tiring take fo me at this point because it’s just true that you could make that kind of observation about any facet of our reality.

Marriage equality is a funny comparison to make, considering how marriage as being a thing in a legal sphere is not a given—I’ve read people who would like to argue that any political project aimed at same-sex marriage is “neoliberal,” but I guess that’s neither here nor there.


#767

ah ok! Later on in the episode she says she’s all on board with the dems deploying MeToo strategically if it means someone like Kavanaugh doesn’t get onto the Supreme Court.
She talks about things very practically, and I can see why that would be off putting. And having heard her before I know she thinks of the law in terms of power dynamics. So while she has a number of criticisms she in no way loses sight of who the targets/enemies are.


#768

So, the thing that’s been weighing on my mind is the latest IPCC report.

In talking to my friends about the politics of this, my buddy whom I’m most likely to nominate for benevolent dictator for life had this to say:

Could you see a candidate winning the 2020 democratic primary, let alone the general election with the something like the following platform?

  • Phase out all non-emergency flights (freight and passenger).
  • Reduce meat and dairy production by at least half.
  • Double the price of gas per gallon.
  • Heavily invest in regional reneweable energy & home energy reduction. By 2030 anyone living in an area that doesn’t have enough renewable energy to have heating & cooling of homes in their area carbon neutral gets relocated.
  • Two child policy.
  • Manhattan level project on carbon sequestration, GMO crops to be more water/temp independent.
  • Nationalize the water supply. Shut down the almond export farms & nestle extracting stuff, golf courses, etc. Ban the import of consumer bottled water as that’s a stupid waste of carbon as well.

To which I replied, “energy too. A hard turn towards socialism is pretty much the only thing that seems capable of making a dent at this point.”

But come back to the first sentence in his quote.

Could you see a candidate winning the 2020 democratic primary, let alone the general election with the something like the following platform?

I sure can’t. Which brings me to the topic of revolution.

Anybody ready for pitchforks and guillotines yet? Somebody said “oh no, they have all the big guns”. So I said, “trick them. tell them it’s a photo opp. Hell, tell them it’s a heavily monetized reality show.”

I’d be in favor of bringing back beheadings!! Huh? Beheadings on TV, slow-motion, instant replay? And maybe you could let the heads roll down a little hill. And fall into one of five numbered holes. Let the people at home gamble on which hole the head is going to fall into. And you do it in a stadium so the mob can gamble on it too. Raise a little more money. And if you want to expand the violence a little longer to sell a few more commercials, instead of using an axe, you do the beheadings with a hand saw! Hey, don’t bail out on me now, God damnit! The blood is already on our hands, all we’re talking about is a matter of degree. You want something a little more delicate, we’ll do the beheadings with an olive fork. That would be nice. And it would take a good God damn long time. There’s a lot of good things we could be doing.
– George Carlin

So, yeah. I’ve been in a guillotine mood lately.

But you know, if that’s a bit much for y’all (understandable) I think maybe we should keep Roe v. Wade, until you’re really ready for it.


#769

@Angela I’m gonna give it a listen. It’s a good point that we need to go further to establish positive rights. It’s just that right now it feels like we’re only barely hanging on to our previous gains. Going much further starts to sound like a George Carlin joke to me. It’s just a mood. Maybe your podcast recommendation will pull me out of it.


#770

Oh no! You’re setting the bar too high!
My podcast recommendations are guaranteed disappointments! lol


#771

I was too young to know about it first hand, but here’s a quick thing I noticed while reading Wikipedia about the Anita Hill hearings:

Four female witnesses reportedly waited in the wings to support Hill’s credibility, but they were not called,[13][15] due to what the Los Angeles Times described as a private, compromise deal between Republicans and the Senate Judiciary Committee Chair, Democrat Joe Biden.


#772

I wondered how more people weren’t in the guillotine mood after the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent bail out(s). I honestly can’t make sense of it. Or maybe it’s because I’d like to imagine if things ever got that bad for me personally and for those reasons, that I would direct my anger in that kind of action-movie/hero way, instead of just keeping my head down.

I think two things could be going on, and I don’t know which is more likely to be the correct one:

  1. MANY people did act out their revenge, a lot of bankers died, and we don’t know about it.

  2. People don’t just do things. Emergent action is very very rare. Like how ONLY Boyan Slat is cleaning up the oceans…or how the Pomplamoose guy made Patreon when it’s such a simple, yet stupid, yet money-making idea.

Magic is acting in an unexpected way.

And no, no one will win on that platform. There will literally need to be a technological miracle.


#773

Sorry to say, but scientists believe we need to do all that stuff, AND have a FEW technological miracles, if we’re only going to go a little bit into the depths of hell, rather than burrowing our way towards it like we are driving a Chunnel drill.


#774

I know you probably have your own ways of maintaining perspective so as not to explode, but it might be useful to hold onto the fact that even though the climate is already worse, life is still being lived.


#775

You might be surprised. I lean into it. I have a very vivid imagination too.

My father was into Stoics. I may not be, really, but it doesn’t matter, because my dad had a lot to do with influencing my outlook on life.

I maintain perspective, in a way, I suppose, by preparing for the worst case scenario I can imagine being prepared for. This has led to a life of organic farming and connections to a delightful farming community. So, sometimes fearing the worst can be a first step towards preparing for the best. Because that’s the great thing about resilient lifestyles: they work in good times as well as bad.

I feel very fortunate. Couldn’t have done it without a couple decades of tech jobs. That comes with a raft of contradictions I’ll be mentally wrestling with for the rest of my life. But I see it as a form of redirection. Redirecting my pay into something I can actually be proud of, the rediscovery and advancement of organic agriculture.

It’s not for everyone, but it’s the way I’ve been able to find some peace and sense in the world.


#776

Things are going to change one way or the other and the scales will balance. It’s a question of how needlessly painful and tragic those changes are going to be.

I think it’s not going to be “too little, too late” but rather “enough, but much later than it should have been.” I expect suffering and disruption on the scale of a world war or worse, but humanity is going to make it.

We need a steep progressive tax on carbon output (and a secondary one on the production of things that themselves contribute to carbon, such as hydrocarbon-fueled vehicles – one to make those more expensive for the manufacturer, and one to make them more expensive for the owner). If profit is the only motive, let profit motivate businesses to clean up.

We have to abandon the economic expectation that GDP, and human population, grows forever. In fact, the only significant action individuals can take (other than political action) is not having children. Driving a more efficient car (or no car), not flying, etc. are way down the list in terms of impact.

(And yes, I expect of necessity, capitalism is going to get its wings clipped. Capitalism pretty much got us into this mess, and left to its own devices, it’s not going to get us out.)

We’ll almost certainly need geoengineering. Sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere… and from what I’ve read, once we start that we can’t stop. Hopefully we don’t find out that it sets off some other climate or biological disaster.

There are all kinds of technologies on the edge of being viable that just need subsidizing and further development. Algal fuels. CO2 catpure from power stations and even directly from the air (I just read about a company that claims to have recently reduced the cost from $1000/ton to about $100/ton). Extracting carbonic acid from seawater. Permanent carbon sequestration through synthetic plastics. And solar PV and wind both continue to get cheaper and more efficient and batteries keep improving.


#777

‪keeping expatriate children in dog kennels is an active tactic for 'dehumanization ‬

and/or
what are some tactics for 'humanization :slightly_smiling_face:


#778

we are living in the weirdest possible reality


#779

Indeed, we are.