Digital Pianos

eesn · 2023-09-23T07:40:16.195Z

Alfred_Fred1:

I have gone through Abletons settings so many times that I just assume it is not possible to have an immediacy that doesn’t disrupt your playing.

I have a Roland RD-64 the sounds on which i don’t particularly love. So I occasionally use it with Noire (Kontakt) in Logic. Here are things that matter in that sort of setup.

connection - MIDI cable to your audio interface or via USB through hubs etc - the latency will be different
plugins with latency in the audio chain or on your DAW master buss - anything like e.g. a look-ahead limiter introduces noticeable latency unless you can turn off its lookahead feature. Similar for spectral processors.
audio buffer size: The lower it will go without glitching or clicking - the better. 256 samples at 48kHz makes around a 10ms roundtrip for audio (or MIDI latency + 5ms for a soft synth). Sounds like for you that buffer size might be the absolute upper limit?

monopole · 2024-04-11T08:55:22.452Z

This was very helpful! Thank you.
Do you have any recommendations for portable and study stands for the RD-88?

radioedit · 2024-04-11T10:23:48.482Z

monopole:

Do you have any recommendations for portable and study stands for the RD-88?

I have one of these. It’s on the very edge of “portable” but it’s definitely sturdy:

malmomusikaffar.com

Flattop Med Extra Arm

Väldigt stabilt och ihopfällbart keyboardstativ. Med plats för två keyboards, övre delen är vinklingsbar. Kan användas till tyngre digitalpianon med max. vikt på 80 kg. på nedersta hyllan. Record KS-5

Price: SEK 1059

monopole · 2024-04-11T13:33:49.236Z

Thanks for the suggestion. I have the one linked with the extension arms, it’s very sturdy but almost 10kg (more with the arms) and I was looking for something lighter, seems the one you linked is 13kg. Looks great but the swap doesn’t make sense.

GUIL

Double brace X-style keyboard stand - Ref. ST-113 | GUIL

Keyboard stand with double “X” reinforced base that gives it maximum strength and stability. Load capacity of 80 kg.

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brook · 2024-04-13T01:58:34.567Z

From your “monitoring while recording” comment I assume (perhaps incorrectly) your concern is based on the experience of latency when recording the output of the MP7se. THAT latency is worse than you will get controlling Pianoteq. With Pianoteq (or any plugin instrument played via midi) there is a tiny bit of midi-based latency, and then output latency. But recording the MP7se, you also have input latency. The combination would be horribly distracting - but it’s much worse than you’ll get with Pianoteq or another VST.

With Pianoteq I find a 128 buffer setting works even for classical work with very fast passages. 64 is of course better. At least with my MOTU interfaces this is no problem with Pianoteq. (FD I use a Roland RD2000 and an RD88 rather than an MP7se). Any perceptible latency CAN be a little distracting, but in this case it’s not even as distracting as trying to play fast passages precisely in a somewhat “live” room. Even in the fully analog realm, latency / delay and related sonic distraction is everywhere.

eesn · 2024-04-13T10:42:06.004Z

Alfred_Fred1:

sometimes it works without latency and sometimes it is present

In my experience, plugins on the active track or on busses it sends to, or on the master chain, can affect latency via the DAW’s automatic delay compensation. Logic has a dedicated “low latency” button to bypass all those plugins. But it’s also a case of knowing what to expect - IR reverbs, look-ahead limiters, linear phase EQs, FFT-based plugins, all have longer delays. I have a virtual instrument piano that I really like. It lives alone in a project, with just a simple built-in EQ and compressor on the same track, and nothing else – très low latency.

n9n9n9 · 2024-04-15T15:41:18.819Z

If your buffer size in Ableton is 256 or less you should be hearing very managable latency. Some need 128 or 64 to feel right, but 256 is probably low enough. If you still hear latency with 128 check your plugins in Ableton – youre hearing delay compensation probably. There are a lot of plugins that add latency – specifically anything that uses FFT transforms which means a lot of high end EQs which use FFT to eliminate phase issues.

Anyway – in a new session with 128 sample buffer you shouldn’t hear latency.

I play Kontakt and Pianoteq pianos live in the DAW all the time… just be mindful of PDC.

ghostclub · 2024-06-11T04:43:34.416Z

I recently picked up a digital piano again, after perusing this thread as well as the recent discussion sparked by @squarepeig and @hermbot over here.

I have a limited budget and ended up going for a Casio Privia PX770. It’s compact, well-designed, and has very decent action for such an affordable price - it’s certainly streets better than my last digital piano, a semi-weighted Roland from the early '90s that my parents bought to replace the upright I first learned on, which they (unforgivably) sold.

The Privia is great to just sit down and play, although the speakers aren’t the best and the sound engine won’t set any hearts racing. The electric piano is nice, and the grand serviceable, but the rest of the on-board sounds are just alright.

I’ve been enjoying the Privia as a controller for the Pianoteq demo on my iPad (a total gamechanger), and I think I’ll stick with it over the on-board sounds or sampled instruments.

I’m going to sell a couple of Eurorack modules to get a Pianoteq Stage licence, but I’m totally stuck on which instrument packs to get. The Steinway Model D is a no-brainer, but I can’t decide between the Petrof and the U4 upright. The Petrof has such nuance and presence, while the U4 can be tweaked to emulate the charm of an old, well-loved but slightly detuned upright.

Do I choose the U4 for the nostalgia, or go for the Petrof, which is objectively a much better model, and subjectivity a dream to play? Or get both and ditch the Steinway? Or just choose one for now, and save for an extra instrument pack or an upgrade to Pianoteq Standard later on?

mistercharlie · 2024-06-11T06:16:27.175Z

I use the Steinway 99% of the time, but I also have the U4. One thing that might help you to choose is to check out the felted versions of the pianos. And also remember that if you end up playing the Steinway most of the time, it’s good to go for an alternative that contrasts with it.

n9n9n9 · 2024-06-11T06:31:13.790Z

20 characters of ireally love the upright in pianoteq.

ghostclub · 2024-06-11T07:40:03.604Z

Thank you both. Good advice re: going for something different. I’ll try the instruments with felt before making my decision, but I am leaning more towards the Steinway and upright now.

kwyj · 2024-06-11T12:58:27.390Z

I use the U4 all the time - on the Thelonius Monk preset. I’ve never ever played a grand piano so upright inspired presets always sound more natural to me.

graymazes · 2024-06-11T20:47:58.415Z

Ymmv obviously but my 2c

TL/DR

I chose petrof and u4 for my non-free piano models and am happy with those.

I also have got a lot of use out of the electric tines/reeds pack - best value for me

Long version

I went for the Pro bundle. But this is a lot of money and I don’t think I would have done so had it not been classifiable as a work expense. That said, I think the extra engine features are really special - setting physical parameters per note can allow construction of wonderfully unique instruments.

Personally I would be unhappy with anything less than the Standard version, which unlocks tuning features - a huge benefit of digital instruments.

Maybe worth noting that I’m mostly not using this for traditional piano practice, I usually use the software with a linnstrument.

My fourth instrument pack selection was the Hohners, which maybe I regret a little.

ears · 2024-06-11T23:58:26.083Z

I have a nicer digital piano but my cheap light Privia PX330 still gets a lot of use. I have several friends that also have one and love it. Been lusting over the PX-S7000HM but so far keeping my bank account intact.

KHAGE · 2024-10-06T09:19:08.059Z

Hi there,

I’m looking for a second hand Nord Electro with a limited budget… soundwise and according to your experience, which model is good enough not to spend a lot more on a newer one ?

Thank you for your attention.

K.

ModulationStation · 2024-10-06T12:17:25.965Z

A few months ago I decided to pick up a Kawai MP11SE. I have never had a piano and never learned to play piano properly, having been on synth plastic keys my whole life. I have absolutely loved playing it and have found the timing and play style very meditative. I play on it daily. The keys and weighted action feel so good to me.

I keep the piano in my living room instead of the studio. I have been looking for a nice midcentury wooden style stand for it as well as a bench. Our furniture leans more towards modern with wood/metal, and a lot of stands/benches I have seen don’t fit. Curious if others have recommendations for either a stand or bench?

infovore · 2024-10-06T14:18:40.202Z

Depends what’s most important to you. If it’s the organ, then you’ll want a D model with real drawbars and waterfall keys. If it’s the pianos, you might prefer an HP - no drawbars, just buttons/leds, but hammer action keys.

The drawbars only come in from the model 4. If you’re into pianos, you have access to the Nord Piano library, but more recent sample libraries only work with more recent boards; the piano library is at v6, and the Electro 5+ support that; lower models will only support v5 or earlier.

Also: more recent models come with more sample RAM, which if you’re into the pianos, you will want.

They all sound very good. I would go for the most recent one you can afford with the physical interface (61/73 with drawbars, 73 hammer) that you want. Featurewise, I wouldn’t go back beyond a 3. (I play a 5D, 73 key).

KHAGE · 2024-10-06T20:28:35.055Z

Thank you infovore !

I will look a fair priced second hand Nord Electro HP in my area…

infovore · 2024-10-06T20:46:51.425Z

I should note - you might find the waterfall style keys particularly effective as Rhodes/Wurli keybeds. But the HP is definitely targeting pianos much more than the D.

xmacex · 2024-11-24T13:08:05.270Z

Cory Arcangel’s 24 Dances for Electric Piano (2014), for Korg M1.

via Stefan Goldmann’s Presets: Digital Shortcuts to Sound (The Bookworm 2018)

presets

[…] when you hear that Korg, you’re no hearing a tinny, goofy sound. You’re hearing what it means: all these other things that have been applied to it. For me, hearing a major 7th on the M1 piano sound is what it means to be alive. That’s what I hear in that sound.

~(Cory Arcangel in Goldmann 2018, p. 179)

How do you like it?