That’s one of the topics under discussion. We’re plotting a potential (lots of planning involved, and it’s all far from certain) standalone Junto site. For now we’re mostly looking at what’d be the necessary components, and then at available technologies.

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Me playing a strange woodwind instrument - a Kaossilator vocoder-preset - with a microphone during an Ambiosonics live jam two years ago. (You may find recent Ambiosonics tunes in Soundcloud under “Ambiosonics”)
There were lot´s of questions about that sound.
Did a research and found out that it comes close to the voice of a Heckelphon. An forgotten instrument form the last century.
Nice example for the Disquiet Junto project “ancient instruments”
This is what Wikipedia says to the Heckelphone:

"The heckelphone (German: Heckelphon) is a musical instrument invented by Wilhelm Heckel and his sons. The idea to create the instrument was initiated by Richard Wagner, who suggested at the occasion of a visit of Wilhelm Heckel in 1879.[1] Introduced in 1904, it is similar to the oboe but pitched an octave lower.
The heckelphone is a double reed instrument of the oboe family, but with a wider bore and hence a heavier and more penetrating tone. It is pitched an octave below the oboe and furnished with an additional semitone taking its range down to A.[2] It was intended to provide a broad oboe-like sound in the middle register of the swollen orchestrations of the turn of the twentieth century.[citation needed] In the orchestral repertoire it is generally used as the bass of an oboe section incorporating the oboe and the cor anglais (English horn), filling the gap between the oboes and bassoons.[citation needed]

The heckelphone is approximately 1.3 m (4 ft 3 in) in length, and is quite heavy: it rests on the floor, supported by a short metal peg attached to the underside of its bulbous bell. An alternate second bell, called a “muting” bell, is also available, which serves to muffle the instrument for playing in a small ensemble. This arrangement is unique among double-reed instruments. It is played with a large double reed that more closely resembles a bassoon’s than an oboe’s reed.[citation needed]

Smaller piccolo- and terz-heckelphones were developed, pitched respectively in (high) F and E♭, but few were made, and they were less successful than the baritone-range instrument.[3]

The first use of the heckelphone was in Richard Strauss’s 1905 opera Salome.[citation needed] The instrument was subsequently employed in the same composer’s Elektra, as well as An Alpine Symphony (though this part frequently calls for notes that are below the range of the heckelphone),[citation needed] Josephslegende and Festliches Präludium. It was adopted as part of the large orchestral palette of such works as Edgard Varèse’s Amériques (1918–1921) and Arcana (1925–1927), and Carlos Chávez’s Sinfonía de Antígona (1933). Aaron Copland’s Short Symphony (Symphony No. 2, 1931–33) calls for a player to double on cor anglais and heckelphone, but a cor anglais may be used for the entire part if a heckelphone is unavailable…"

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https://soundcloud.com/glsmyth/thelonia-disquiet0289

Disquiet Junto Project 0289: Ancient Artifacts

Step 1: Imagine an instrument that has been lost in the sands of time.
Step 2: Imagine what that instrument sounded like.
Step 3: Record a piece of music employing that instrument. (Be sure to describe your instrument’s history in an accompanying note.)

The history of tuned percussion instruments in ancient Greece offers few examples (the Krotalon being one) so to fill this gap I imagined a large machine that worked like a music box. The circular disc had pegs that initiated the striking of bars or strings.

Thelonia is a piece of music for this instrument, written by a woman, and when discovered was buried and the device destroyed. The music remains, the instrument can only be imagined.

Thelonia is scored for Glockenspiel, Marimba, Vibraphone and Harp.

The score is available at http://bit.ly/2uofRzN

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Thank you - always enjoy doing these little story bits almost as much as the pieces themselves…

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Imagine we could have begun our reply to your question with "Not sure how to embed Bandcamp audio in other sites, because we haven’t done it. However, we have been looking at SoundCloud alternatives and … "

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Wondered why my track hadn’t appeared in the playlist- realized I had the wrong Disquiet number in the tag and title - It’s actually wrong in the second half of the email, Marc…Not that it matters now…

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It’s a (sadly) non-trivial undertaking.

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Which is to say, discussion happening on the Slack.

Hey all!
https://soundcloud.com/user-651760074/sine-missionedisquiet0289
Sine Missione(disquiet0289) https://soundcloud.com/user-651760074/sine-missionedisquiet0289
The area of Upper Revhellt is fiercely protected by very mobile columns of troops, each with 306 horseman complimenting regular troops. The Four Horns of Drevhellt, sounded before battle, are reputedly from the four mythological beasts that represent the sky, sea, land and fire. When the ancients defeated the four beasts Acryre, Wrattej, Edrogh, Brundh,and settled in what is now Revhellt, the horns became symbolic of their victory and with that victory they inherited a mastering of the four elements to protect themselves and their land from any outside forces. While the horns are likely nothing more than ornately decorated examples of some of the larger mammals in this region, the almost magical power of their sound is quite palpable, even to an outsider like myself. I am quite certain an invading force who upon arrival, finds themselves surrounded and hearing the Four Horns of Drevhellt from each of the cardinal directions, will pity their foolishness and curse the Revhellt soil on their boots, for it will become their final resting place, because here, there is no quarter.

All sounds here were created in the shop, recorded with the pad and Zoom mic and then sent to Cubasis for tweaks and cuts and general nastiness. If you caught any hidden references or want sound details, let me know in the comments! Thanks for listening :slight_smile:
My videos - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc_iQ5JFusPt9EIwKIZ5rew

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https://soundcloud.com/ethanhein/in-the-caves-disquiet0289

My instrument combines two samples: berimbau played by Nana Vasconcelos, and water drums played by the Baka Forest People of southeast Cameroon. Berimbau may well be the oldest instrument in history, aside from the human body itself. For all we know, drumming on the water is older than humanity itself. The background is a sample of overtone singing and banjo by Tim Eriksen, slowed way down. I made two ambient pads by freezing the reverb on the Tim Eriksen sample at different points.

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The challenge was “Imagine an instrument that has been lost in the sands of time.”
I imagine my upright bass. When I bought it in the late 80’s the previous owner was an old retired bassist , he didn’t played the instrument form at least 10 years.
When he took it for some dusty storage place it was dirty and had three strings, hairy old gut strings. I asked him about the 4th and he said “oh it broke sometime in the sixties, never replaced it”
The other 3 strings were the original for the bass builder, around 1900…
SO that instrument really came from a different time.
I don’t have the gut strings any more but yesterday I bought a Bass Ukulele, and played acoustically it remind me that dumb, low thud the old gut strings had.
This is the first recording with that Uke Bass taken with two microphones, a ribbon and an Neumann condenser,at home today Sunday 16th July 2017.

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Your contributions are always wonderful. Thank you for sharing these works.

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Didn’t even know there was such a thing as a bass ukulele. Great stuff.

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That is a pretty massive undertaking! The Junto Slack sounds insightful but I already neglect so many things and I’m not sure my level of participation would be measurable :frowning:

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The goal is simplicity.

modern californians think 50yrs ago is ancient
it’s not…

music made aquí :slight_smile:

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fantastic! :slight_smile:

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fifty-two years ago my grandfather gave me his violin to play around with, he bought a new one cause the one i got had a crack in the belly.
so i started to work on it but not like it should be, at the age of six i wanted to be a guitar player,that was the way i misstreated the instrument. so five decades later with this assignment i remembered the violin in the basement. i still can´t play it but maybe you´ll enjoy my scratching.
used a bit of reverb and phasing.

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庚寅年 (450 BC), Huning province
She was alone. Self imposed exile. Her time spent in music. To connect with an imagined future. Less painful to consort with envisioned ghosts. Her childhood instruments contorted with destroyed nature and slaughtered food.

Annals of Musicology (Primitive/Ancient History) 1956 (rejected manuscript)
“…I posit that over the decades she’d somehow modified a sheng polyphonically and with further sensitivity to sound vibrations allowing the strings of some sort of bass harp /guqin to create dronelike (faburden) harmonics
… The tablature took years to decode written in probably an esoteric, that is to say, unique style of her invention but given the sheer volume of annotated vellum and glancing similarity to chronistic qin tablature I think I’ve arrived at an adequate solution.”

clouudsound.audio/xprockx/rediscovered_audio_refix, 2019
bit different but hear me out…found grandads old stuff and there was like this journal paper on how he found these remains of this woman /ewww/ in china and some cool old instrument well like all broken up thousands of years old… and he’d managed to renotate her songs…wish id known him but dads all like ‘he took the cowards way out’ and that’s it .jeez. so anyway I played it all slow like desolate and despondent -fuqd up uke and melodica!!. Gonna make this story into a comic stay toond bitches xxx!

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I imagined an instrument that had been lost in the sands of time, something so old that only its most durable elements might persist. I imagined unearthing scattered pieces of said instrument, all stones and rocks, as well as the sands of time that had covered and infiltrated it.

https://soundcloud.com/otolythe/artifact-disquiet0289

This piece is composed of field recordings from (1) a visit to Oslo sculptor Sissel Berntsen [www.sisselberntsen.no/], who showed and played some of her incredible stone instruments and sound devices, and (2) the black lava sands of Seltanger, Iceland. The only processing I did on this piece was a little volume adjustment; I deliberately wanted the authentic sounds of the stones and sands, in all and only the variety that might have been available to long-ago imagined ears.

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