DIY Module Release: Schräg (Bastl Cinnamon rework)

Hey lines! Some of you may be interested in this project I was finally able to release.

Schräg is an expanded repackage of the Bastl Cinnamon multimode filter, released with their permission as an open source project.

More information on the github repo: GitHub - barnabywalters/Schraeg: An 8HP eurorack multimode filter module based on the Bastl Cinnamon

The filter core works exactly as the Cinnamon, with the following new features:

  • 8HP form factor, allowing for larger character and gain switches and a big juicy cutoff knob
  • Voltage control over resonance, through an attenuverter (using the two unused VCA cells from the original design)
  • A new FM input through an attenuverter, which works as a pitch fine-tune control with nothing patched
  • A bi-directional power connector with polyfuses
  • An Interactive HTML BOM to aid in part placement

With this release comes a request and an offer:

The released board layout is the second revision, with various small issues from the first run I ordered fixed. The DRCs pass, but I haven’t yet ordered or built the latest version, and am unlikely to do so myself in the near future as I already have spare boards from the first run, don’t need 20 Schrägs and am not interested in selling built modules. So if anyone out there likes the concept and wants to order and test a run of the new boards, I’d greatly appreciate feedback and would be happy to help with the process.

And the offer: Update: all the spare boards are claimed now.

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This is really cool, thanks for sharing!
Nice to see that you’re using Kicad. It will be cool to open up your design and explore it a bit; I recently learned how to use it and have been wanting to look at other peoples eurorack designs.

I actually also recently did a SMD rework, in this case of the Bastl Kompas module (thank you for the open designs Bastl folks!). I’ve been meaning to share my work and your post motivated me to clean up the resources. I figure here is a relevant enough place. It can be found at ~philomates/kompas - sourcehut git.


Here is a shot of an early prototype with a quick panel cobbled together.

The Kompas is a pretty versatile little module: 3 pots, 3 CV in, 2 gate in, and 3 gate out. I’ve been having fun writing alternative firmware, like a windowed comparator and a probabilistic latch/burst generator, all of which are also in that linked repository. It can also run firmwares written for the Grains Ginko Synthese, so basic sound generation stuff is possible, though there isn’t PWM smoothing filter in the kompas.

Hardware-wise I adapted the original design a bit to expose serial pins. With this I was able to use this module as the basis for some other designs, like a Befaco Muxlicer clone that includes capacitive touch buttons for selecting the step and sequencer mode.

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Cool! The expansion possibilities with the serial port sound very interesting. Does your module’s logic board just sort of hang off the module on cables, or is that a temporary measure?

I’ve always been a bit surprised that so many open source synth and electronics projects use Eagle rather than KiCAD. KiCAD has its annoyances but as far as I can tell is comparatively capable, and doesn’t force you to have an account and internet connection to use it.

I’m no electrical engineer, and wouldn’t recommend treating my boards as a good example of… anything, really, but I’ve learned all the essentials like managing hierarchical schematics, making custom footprints etc. The one big KiCAD tip I can give is to check out the Interactive HTML BOM plugin. IMO that alone makes KiCAD worth using for DIY/open source projects.

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unused 2164 to Q is nice.

good to see bastl’s modules
i made a few bastl modules via point to point soldering.


dynamo 4HP

hendrikson 4HP
popcorn-vorne popcorn-dorsal2
popcorn + expander 10HP

cv trinity + expander 10HP

kompas 4HP

no fotos, but also made propust 2HP.
always thanks bastl instruments for open-source schema and supports.

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yeah, it is a bit of a mess, but fine for prototyping


In essence the extra pins from the Kompas power a MPR121 capacitive touch chip as well as some 8-channel multiplexers that allow for setting up a nice little sequencer. If I ever ended up doing a 2nd revision I would roll it all into one board to clean it up.

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Thanks barnaby, it’s arrived and built.

  1. no orientation silkscreen for IC, Diode
  2. MB2S bi-birectional circuit make the life ease.
  3. toggle switch make the life funny.
  4. LM4040D’s footprint is SC70-5, i sourced the SC70-3 mistakenly.

The problem is,
FM CV and Q CV does not cover the all range knod.
e.g. Cutoff close → open : 2.19V → 0V at V2164’s FREQ_CV pin 11, 14
but
with FM CV with full atten. open.
close → open : 2.19V → 1.86V at 2164’s CV pin
only 0.33V effects. so FM CV is not working as total close to total open. just slightly modulates.
Q CV input also slightly affect to the Q like FM CV.
I tested with the bastl’s cinnamon. FM CV works like close to open.

But the V_OCT_IN works well. close to open.

I think the filter core is exactly same with cinnamon. Only U1B(Freq), U1A(Q) part is different.


Zum experiment. I cut the between R8 and U1C, and tested Voltage with 47K resistor. It is circuit from cinnamon. It works, close to open. So the U1B circuit is problematic, i guess.

Is any guide to debug it? What could be mistake?
Thanks in advance.

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“circuit simulation, it is same result from my board”
If FM_IN1 is 5V, the point between R5 and R8 is 1.238V. It is too little to open the Cutoff Freq totally.

I changed the potentiometer to 1M and R8 to 0 Ohm, then little to 2V. But still not open the Cutoff.

Good to see the build worked okay!

no orientation silkscreen for IC, Diode

Yeah, this is an issue with KiCAD’s default silkscreens. There are orientation marks, they’re just very small and hard to see. I’ll improve the footprints on future boards.

LM4040D’s footprint is SC70-5, i sourced the SC70-3 mistakenly.

Yep, that’s one of the mistakes I made on this run of boards — I did mention it in the build guide though.

FM CV is not working as total close to total open. just slightly modulates.
Q CV input also slightly affect to the Q like FM CV.

You’re right, the attenuverted FM input doesn’t cover the whole range of the cutoff knob. I didn’t really notice it when testing as I tend to use the FM input for more subtle modulation (and the V/Oct input for more dramatic modulation). But that’s no excuse for the FM an Q inputs not working over the whole range!

To be perfectly honest, I don’t entirely understand the attenuverter circuit, and didn’t get around to analysing it yet. I’m off the grid for a few days but will experiment with it when I get back next week and see if I can figure out how to increase the range — it should just be a matter of swapping some component values around.

I poked around in a simulator and it looks like a couple of component substitutions could improve things:

  • R48 → 1k
  • R2 → 1k
  • R5 → 10k
  • FM_ATTV1 remains at 100k

With a 5V input, that gives 0V near the middle of the range, 4.5V out at the top range and -4.5V at the bottom of the range of the attenuverter:

I’ll try it out on my own Schräg when I get back. If you have time to try it on your own, let me know how it goes!

Yes, I was known from the guide, but i didn’t know the difference btw. SC70-5(5pad) and 3(3pad). anyway schon ok.

Until now I changed only R48, to 47k, 10k, 1k, 470R. will try to you prescription. Thanks!
I think also, swapping some value should be okay. But if it fails, always it could be direct with attenuator to 47k like in cinnamon, but without attenuverter function.

Yes, that’s true, you could build it both ways, and for FM it wouldn’t make a lot of difference. I like having the attenuverter as I don’t have a lot of sources of negative modulation in my rack.

A circuit from Befaco dual attenuverter


Attenuverter 100% Max 5.237V

0% inverted

50% 0 gain

but need to cut the trace.

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“pin 3 for RES_CV and pin 5 for FM_IN”

Wow, trace is under the IC. pin 3, pin 5 muss be cutted from GND.
Maybe, it is better to desolder two pins and lift up to float over the PCB.


“Befaco dual attenuverter circuit mod.”

  1. pin3, 5 lifted up over pcb
  2. potentiometer 1, 3 exchange, d.h. 47k ohm is to pin 3.
  3. used 47k to Rx(U1 pin7 → Freq_cv pin 11 in 2164), like in cinnamon circuit. no idea about the R value. So brutal force.
    → near 7V cv needed to open totally.
  • Rx to 10k → 3.24V
  • Rx to 18k → 4.66V
  • Rx to 22k → 4.46V
  • Rx to 100k → CV not works
    so, i settled down in 18k atm. Works well with CV and attenuveter.
  1. Q CV is a little different. Ry(like Rx, pin 1 U1 → pin 6 U2) for 47k. It is affected also by Res. Adj.
    I’d do more probe with this status.

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Any update on when these fixes will be implemented or tested?

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I see the Schraeg pcb &panel at pusherman it say v.0.2 in photo. But don’t know it is fixed version or not.

I’m curious about this as well.

:flushed::partying_face::heart_eyes:
Wow. Impressive work.

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I had some of the most recent boards of this made (they have the missing resistor pads added back and the updated diode footprint), put two together with the resistor value changes suggested in this thread, one is working perfectly and the other has a weird issue that I just cannot track down.

After a certain amount of time - sometimes a few seconds, sometimes a few minutes - the cutoff goes fully open. I can fix it by turning the cutoff knob all the way down, after which the cutoff works properly again, and the cycle repeats. I have CV coming in on both the FM and V/O jacks when it happens, I don’t know if that’s related or coincidence.

I have retouched every solder joint that could possibly be affecting the circuit and it still pops up. I want to say U1 might be bad, that’s the TL074 that deals with cutoff, but I’m not sure if that’s it or not. It’s just so weird that it’s only affecting one of the two that I made.

Hey guys, Been basically dreaming of a cinnamon with a q cv input. so thanks for the amazing development.
wanted to check in what’s going on with this?
TIA

After a certain amount of time - sometimes a few seconds, sometimes a few minutes - the cutoff goes fully open

Huh, that sounds like a weird problem. I can’t think of what could be causing that off the top of my head, but maybe it sounds familiar to someone with more circuit debugging experience than me. Does the cutoff jump open suddenly, or is it gradual?

I see the Schraeg pcb &panel at pusherman it say v.0.2 in photo. But don’t know it is fixed version or not.

There are currently two versions of the board in the wild, v0.2.0 and v0.2.1, which fixes the LM4040 pad layout. Phil definitely knows about 0.2.1, but I don’t know exactly which boards are in stock at pusherman — presumably still 0.2.0.

Hey guys, Been basically dreaming of a cinnamon with a q cv input. so thanks for the amazing development.
wanted to check in what’s going on with this?

Any update on when these fixes will be implemented or tested?

Unfortunately I don’t currently have much time to work on making changes to Schräg, much as I would like to. I do get a tiny commission from the pusherman sales, but nowhere near enough to fund new board revisions. The main issue is with the attenuverter, which isn’t perfect, but works well enough that I didn’t even notice the problem! So I can’t promise that I’ll be able to produce a v0.3.0 in the near future.

I’ll probably get back to doing some more electronics work for my main job at some point next year, which would be a good opportunity to get a new revision of Schräg done while I’m in “electronics mode”. Until then, the module works pretty well, and if anyone’s not happy with the attenuverter function even with the zero-effort component substitutions, then @gnsk kindly documented their fix very thoroughly, which should be enough to recreate it.

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