So - IIRC, Shades mixes downwards - ie, A into B, B into C, wheras Triatt mixes into C out. I used to use my Triatt as a mixer as well as an attenuverter. That difference is minor but worth noting. They’re both very, very similar circuits, though, but that’s the one obvious difference i remember at the time. Also you may prefer the ergonomics of one over the other.

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Hadn’t seen these, might have to pick up three for that same reason.

That’s what I mean, yeah. Being able to split the functions of it that I use around my case, right now, would be more useful than all of the extra functions of Maths.

(apols - you in that sentence was probably @cmcavoy; the cascade of responses was unclear)

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Heh, I don’t think it was me actually, the chain of responses has broken down. My official position is “Maths is great, but only if you use it for more than envelopes, which I do, so I love it, and I think the OP should spend some time with the SUM / OR and INVERT outs before dumping it.”

Please update the thread minutes accordingly. :woman_judge:

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mine is not super calibrated so is difficult to manage…and i don’t like the know placement and position, i always need to read, but the two leds are great

How much would one miss vs a Maths when combining a mini slew and for example a Triatt?
Obviously you’re missing 1 of the 2 shapeable outputs of the maths (channel 4 basically) and the sum/or outputs, but are you missing anything else?

The mini slew looks pretty nice, also has end-of-rise and end-of-cycle outputs like the maths but on a single EG instead of on two separate ones.
Main detractor for me are the imho quiet annoying blue LEDs :frowning:

[edit] The last sentence was merely about the blue color of the LEDs not about having the LEDs in general :slight_smile:
I find the blue too bright and it makes it hard to read the panel labels.

Interesting. I really love the visual feedback of the LEDs.

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I have two Frap Tools 321, an I’d strongly suggest you take a look at it. Check out Learning Modular’s video about it.

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Thanks! I had a quick look the other day and it seemed very interesting

Absolutely!
They’re how I keep track of what all the little electrons are doing in a patch. I find modules that don’t have leds where they could show useful information quite annoying.

Slightly more on topic. For those who want the very useful EOR or EOC don’t forget these are pretty straightforward to patch if you have a comparator in your system.

Ah, good tip, thanks :slight_smile: I’ve been looking for things to do with the comparator on my Tromsø…

I just got a Mutable Instruments Peaks from a friend in exchange for shooting his engagement photos. I was looking forward to using its envelopes for kicks and such so I can use my maths for other purposes, but I keep reaching for the maths for that purpose because its envelope shapes are just frickin’ gorgeous. Is there any way to hack the firmware of peaks to add a control over the curve of the envelopes?

I had one for ages, and it’s great for the functionality in a small space – now I have to use two channels of Blinds to do what one channel could do on the O/A/x2 – but I found the pots were quite sensitive, and when I tried to use it for calibration of a couple of other modules the values were literally impossible to set to what I needed. The movement of the pots wasn’t particularly smooth, so it was difficult to make precise adjustments. Now that I’m trying to keep everything in a 6U 104hp case, the O/A/x2 is gone, and my Maths is in my overflow case (it’s serial no. 5000 and was one of the first modules I bought, so I can’t bring myself to sell it), but I’m thinking of swapping out my Clouds for a mini one to free up some space for more envelopes.

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All the code is on Github and the product page actually explains how to modify the code :
https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/peaks/open_source/

You can also check if the Peaks alternative firmware has stuff you’d be interested in : https://github.com/timchurches/Mutated-Mutables/releases

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If IIRC it could be as simple as messing with the lookup tables in the code. Probably a bit of work still, since the big part is all the “trial and error” until it sounds right to you, but should be doable if you have the right coding skills.

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Just came across this http://www.sinphi.com/synths/miasma/miasma.html via https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=178637. Seems to still be in the prototyping phase though

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That looks VERY interesting. A lot of patching. But a nice clean panel. I am watching with interest!

Miasma is, from what I remember, basically a tweaked layout of the Rampage schematic, FWIW.

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After some more browsing: For envelopes (amongst other things) the Doepfer A-171-2 might be an option.

There are some mods online for this that add Hold, Burst and EOR in case you want to have those as well https://navsmodularlab.blogspot.nl/2015/10/doeper-serge-vcs-expander-schematic.html