I was wondering: When you plug something in output A or B of Triatt it’s removed the from mix/output C, in practive there is no real difference vs mixing downwards, right?

I.e if you want 3>1 only plug something in C, if you want 2>1 and 1>1 plug something in output A and output C and if you want 3x 1>1 plug something in every output.
The only difference is there’s no way to get the combined output of A+B without C, but since you can just switch the inputs that not really a problem, right? Or am I missing something?

Exactly - it’s not that different in effect, but it’s one of the obvious differences between the two.

Could anyone who has a Rampage please confirm if the range switches behave the same physically speaking? I’m trying to ascertain whether mine is faulty because the right range switch clicks into position when you toggle the switch but the left feels ropey and does not act detented. Cheers!

Well they should do, both channel A and channel B range switches are identical parts. Of course; detents are just mechanical nubs inside the switch and not all detents are alike. It could be one switch just wasn’t made particularly well.

Note that the range and cycle switches are different - the range switch is ON-OFF-ON (three position) and the cycle switch is ON-ON (two position). I forget if it’s possible to put them the wrong way around.

Thanks for the reply. The cycle switches in the bottom half are fine, the problem is with the left range switch. Rubadub (where I bought it from) tell me this is normal behaviour. I can’t see why this would be the case as the other three switches feel correct and this one feels really crappy. Looking at the manual the three toggles for high , medium and low. There’s no off?

sorry: the technical description of a three-position double-throw switch is ON-OFF-ON - this corresponds to LOW-HIGH-MIDDLE on the rampage. It means the outer positions connect various pins together, and the middle position connects none; what it indicates is that it’s a three position switch, is all. There is, as you say, no off.

Also in the same boat and thinking of replacing Maths with 2 envelopes. I’d hate to give up the snappy response though. Got my eye on the Pip Slope - how does it compare.

I can’t imagine this was the module designers intent. Very odd they are trying to tell you this. Mine does not behave this way, but is diy.

I guess you could double check with befaco.

i’ve emailed Befaco, hopefully i will get a response soon. for the record i’ve never had to return anything, and i’m not at all OCD about this stuff, but as soon as i tried the switch i thought it was knackered.
i would be grateful if any Rampage owners could check there range and cycle switches and let me know if there are any physical differences between each of the toggle modes.

Does anyone have any idea if it would be feasible to mod an attenuverter onto a Make Noise Function? The attenuverter seems to be the major thing missing vs channel 1 or 4 of a Maths.

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I had a weird dream last night. About a eurorack module.

From what I recall it was a fixed envelope generator. It had a single input to trigger the envelopes but multiple fixed shape outputs to choose from. Can’t remember if it has 6 or 8 outputs.

I wonder if this is possible?

That sounds like the Verbos multi-envelope.

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Haha cool. There are no original thoughts left lol.

I’ve been through several different sets of envelopes and attenuators and am thinking about switching to Maths.

Mini Slew has a neat feature set. CV control over everything, the LED indicators, and the “Vari Out” feature which is often overlooked I think. The latter is both an attenuator and a VCA; you can run a bipolar signal (such as audio) into Vari CV and the envelope will control its level.

But: the response and range on the knobs feels really unnatural and twitchy compared to most other function generators and envelopes. There’s a very small area of knob turn where the most musical results are, and a lot of area that just won’t be used.

Also, the envelope won’t retrigger during the fall stage unless the trigger is above… I think it’s about 6.5V? CV.OCD sends 5V triggers, so I have to amplify them if I want to trigger every time. It’s almost a cool feature but that threshold should have been lower for compatibility, or there could have been separate trigger/retrigger inputs, or something.

I often find EOR/EOC confusing on Mini Slew because unlike on Make Noise modules, they are not opposites. EOC is high when the output voltage is above 3V and back off at 0V; EOR is high when the input voltage is 0V or the module is not in the fall stage.

And the “T-COMP” and “CV SUM” features have always been pretty useless IMHO.

And its power consumption is well above Function.

Function, for contrast, has really nice knob response, feel and ranges whether you’re using it for envelopes or audio rate cycling. The Hang input is kind of nifty (but honestly I’d prefer a Cycle gate). But I could really wish it had an attenuverter, or at least an attenuator.

Rampage has some nice features – I preferred its Rising/Falling gates to EOR/EOC, I liked its comparator and appreciated its manual trigger buttons. But I didn’t like the rate switch because you couldn’t simultaneously have a snappy attack and a long decay, and the sliders didn’t feel as good to me as Make Noise’s knobs. Also it had some impedance problems with passive LPGs. I wound up selling mine.

Pittsburgh Envelope was nearly as good as Function, if a little homely. I just had too many envelopes and sold it.

(For non-slew envelopes: Contour is my favorite, though I wish for a cycle button and/or a manual trigger and an attenuator. System X ADSR was decent if basic, and as snappy as they say. Qu-Bit EON was better as an envelope than for its other functions, if you don’t mind working with a tiny module.)

And for attenuverter/offsets:

3x MIA is always bipolar and difficult to zero, so it makes a poor audio mixer. The knobs are really glossy and the pointers can be hard to see due to glare. Also, high power consumption. I sold mine.

321 has a decent feature set, but tiny black knobs and tinier black switches on a black panel drive me a little crazy. I haven’t found the dual mix outputs that useful. It’s kind of my last resort attenuator/mixer.

Shades is great. No complaints at all :slight_smile:

A-138-m counts too since its first row can be normalled to +5V. Matrix mixers are great for a lot of things. Having a constant voltage offset in an audio feedback loop to encourage clipping is pretty neat.

Anyway. After recently watching Loopop’s video on Maths I kind of want to trade my Function, Mini Slew and 321 in on one. It just seems friendlier to patch than separate function generators and attenuverters, and has the built in sum/or I miss from Rampage (though no A/B comparator or rising/falling gates) and draws less power than the three modules combined :slight_smile:

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I solved the problem of choosing between Maths and Rampage by having both. I use Rampage mostly for gate generation and Maths for envelope/LFO/slew-type things.

Thanks for the post, really interesting to read. I haven’t had the chance to try most of the modules myself.

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watch the new Frap Tools Falistri
out today
http://frap.tools/products/falistri/

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the ADDAC506 is really great, I replaced my maths with it.

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wow that’s got a lot going on w that panel

Falistri being used as complete voice + 1oct and 2oct down sub generators, with sapèl driving it all with some help by 333, couple of doepfer filters, clouds, magneto and big sky.
but Falistri is the centre of it all

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The still in development Quadrax seems to be a decent option for covering the envelope/LFO and EOC part of Maths and it has at least one CV input per channel, not the same as Maths 3 for channels 1 and 4, but still.
The EOC part isn’t entirely clear yet, but it seems Intellijel is looking at how to incorporate it.

There’s a way to sync the next channel to the previous and it has bipolar LFOs that can be clocked with different shapes, which is all rather nice :slight_smile:

Pretty much all currently known info can be found here https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=215545

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