#2412

Hi All-

I’m beginning the process of planning my first skiff. I’d like to run it by you all a few different times. I know that this process in never-ending and highly personal, but want to avoid making rookie mistakes. My goal is to have a small modular setup that can generate very basic melodic ambient sequences (much like what’s going on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbnN0R20mLM).

I’d also like to be able to use it to process guitar. So far on the list I’ve got:

  1. Strymon AA.1 for guitar I/O
  2. Mutable Rings
  3. uBurst (or some other clouds variant, open to suggestions)
  4. Mutable Stages
  5. Mutable Marbles

And a case, of course. I currently own a Behringer Model D and a Korg SQ-1.

Where should I go from here? Are there any glaring, functional omissions? Remember, the goal is to get started…

Thanks!

EDIT- followup question: Regarding older mutable models that are (being open source) produced by others…how do we feel about that? Kosher? Stick with Mutable? Depends?

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#2413

You’ll probably want some sort of of mixing and attenuation/offset module(s) to have more fine control over your modulation and audio signal paths, but that sounds like a very solid start to me :+1:

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#2415

THIS is exactly the advice I’m here for. Thanks!

#2416

Ha! Fair question.
You are supposed to use to “zero out” cv that might for from -8 to 8v, say from a Batumi (I’m not sure right now on Batumi’s range, but it is bipolar.)
Half-waye rectification makes all of the negative voltage 0.
Full-wave flips the voltage, so -8 goes to +8.
You’d use this to make a bipolar cv play well with something that only wants uni-polar, like a vca.
(I think that is how it all works!)

But, I’ve found it great for distortion to patch vocal samples from morphagene into Cold Macs slop, then slop out into left in, the original unrectified signal into right in and pan between the two. Makes the voice brittle! Like slicing the wave in half.
The technical Maps is full of great ideas.

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#2418

•as mentioned, an attenuverter/offset generator (MI Shades/‘jel Triatt, many others)

•some vcas or lpgs that can fill that need to. if you luv mutable, veils is great, but there are a lot of choices there. also look into mixing modules maybe?

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#2419

Plug for Bastl Quattro Figaro as an under-appreciated VCA option. You get a number of mixing options and inverted CV outs for free. It’s one of the modules that’s allowed me to make my 104 HP rack work.

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#2420

I have my PNW connected to all three of the MIDI ports on an IJ 7U via a 1010music midi buffer (but all internal).

Happy to answer questions.

#2421

Thanks. I think it’s a great piece of advice and a wise approach. For the effects I use external outbord (Eventide Time Factor and Lexicon Mpx100).

#2422

Thinking about my next buy, what about Mimeophon? my next rack is about FX

#2423

For me personally the jury is still out on the Mimeophon, and my advice would be to invest in out of rack gear for effects. I of course admit this is subjective, but my relationship with effects has changed completely once I made this change. My racks end up feeling more manageable & “complete,” and I find pedals / dedicated desktop effects units to feel much more playable.

That said, I recommend checking out the dedicated Mimeonphon thread if you haven’t yet :slight_smile:

#2424

I feel curious about out-of-rack effects. Do you use them always as end-of-chain effects or do you interweave the effects as needed? For example, I do not run my whole eurorack mix through my Erbe-Verb but rather usually just run a single oscillator through it for Secret Sauce.

In that case, would you abandon the Erbe-Verb and wire up that single oscillator to an out-of-rack effect? And then what? Back into the rack or straight into the mixer? As I said, I just feel curious about how others have approached this difficulty as I enjoy using pedal effects and have a fun collection of them.

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#2425

Yeah, good question.

So I have end of chain effects, but they are usually kind of set & forget (for a given song at least; I am not “playing” them). What I’ve settled on is having a single chain of pedals that I send a single signal out to, then mix it back in to the final stereo output from the rack. So, not at all dissimilar from a send from a mixer.

Sometimes I send a mult’d signal, keep it fully wet and mix it back into the dry signal in rack. Sometimes (more often if I’m honest) I send a submix out to the effect chain and treat it as an additional voice. This works best if a looper or heavily feedback’d delay is involved; something to keep the signal alive and different enough from the source. This could also be a lot of fun if you were to involve something like a Klein Bottle because of the feedback options, but I haven’t experimented with this myself.

As for interface modules I just have an ALM SBG. Works well! I would love to try the ADDAC one but they are not super easy to find.

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#2426

General FYI: I’ve begun a new comparison matrix for Eurorack sampler modules.

https://doudoroff.com/samplers/

The goal isn’t to cover every last detail, and the comparison spans some wildly disparate products. Rather the goal, as with my sequencer and mixer comparisons, is to make it easy to narrow down the products you might want to research more deeply.

This is very much a work-in-progress. If you can contribute any corrections or have suggestions how to make the comparison more useful, please let me know (message me or email).

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#2427

Yes, I’m a fan of the DSM03. It’s a really weird module, not what I expected at all. Did you sell yours?

#2428

Decided to go with the cute orbiting headphone case approach. Now free from Elektron boxes as a monitoring environment, which means - among other things - patching in bed and a newfound appreciation of the disting mk4 as an FX box. Thanks for the help everyone and especially for the inspiration @maf!

Btw was @pax but now MaxMyriad

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#2429

I’m curious if anyone is using a Five12 Vector Sequencer? I’m looking at a few complex, multi-part sequencers (ER-101/102, Nerdseq) but there isn’t as much information about the Vector Sequencer (or much enthusiasm it seems). Is it feeling stable? I know there had been some bugs. How are people enjoying the workflow?

#2430

is the XAOC Zadar as fun as it appears to be? for EG, looping / chaining envelope shapes, LFOs, animated envelope modulation (“warp” etc.), and for use as a crude VCO (many wave shapes) … ?? … I’m thinking about replacing the Pons Asinorum (4xAD envelope, looping/audio rate LFOs, in 6 hp)

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#2431

@MaxMyriad You are welcome! I love your design! :laughing:

#2432

Fun is maybe not the right word. I found it not to be ideal for improvisational use, but it’s a great way to generate a lot of unique envelopes/modulation.

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#2433

hmmm. i watched a couple videos of looping Odessa sequences, alternating envelope shapes, looping, reversing, warping the shapes, etc. there’s a DivKid video where he cycles through a number of shapes, giving the sound (as a vco) many different timbres. it (the menu/interface) seems fairly straightforward. is it cumbersome, or unwieldy, to use on the fly?

i’ve been using a Pons Asinorum, which seems a lot simpler, though it doesn’t seem so immediate, with a single encoder for all four channels. the variety of shapes and mod. features of the Zadar make it look fun to use… so it’s not so immediate, or fluid?

edit: my apology, i just found the dedicated thread