#2496

Marbles works really well with Teletype IMHO. I had PNW briefly but didn’t enjoy how everything had to be locked in to a single clock, so of the three that’s the one I would let go of.

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#2497

Because I can’t help myself, here’s a quantizer module comparison, too:

https://doudoroff.com/quantizers/

I’m still missing one or two obscure ones, but this is a good start.

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#2498

Marbles is kind of a quantizer in its sampling mode.

Teletype can be a quantizer as well.

ER-301 has a very nice quantizer unit with Scala file support, though lack of DC-coupled outputs means it has to be its own consumer of the quantized values.

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#2499

I’ll look at Marbles again—it’s been a while.

Regarding Teletype, can you elaborate a bit on what it can and cannot do vis a vis the columns in the comparison? I’d love to add it if it makes sense.

Doesn’t sound like the ER-301 belongs in there any more than any oscillator with a built-in quantization.

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#2500

Shipping: yes
Channels: 1 (without expanders)
Derived parts: whatever you script, up to 4 total CV outputs (without expanders)
Triggered quantization: Yes (polling up to 2ms is also possible)
Trigger output: Yes
Input range: 0V-10V
Output range: 0V-10V
Scales: 12TET chromatic is relatively easy, but anything can be scripted
Transpose: yes (but not via CV)
Approx. price: $480 USD
Additional notes: all functions are performed via scripting; a shift register is easy to script; TELEXi input expander module adds 4 CV inputs (-10V to +10V) and can do its own quantization; TELEXo output expander module adds 4 CV outputs (-10V to +10V) and can also do its own quantization.

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#2501

Thanks for your efforts! It’s really helpful to see things laid out like this.

One column that would be super-helpful for me (though I realize logistically difficult to produce) would be latency. I’m having some issues with my Argos Bleak giving a little chirpiness to the notes it quantizes and I’d love to see comparisons of latency times between alternatives. As it is, I have no idea how much difference there is between various quantizers.

#2502

Is this is a latency problem or a trigger delay problem?

Aside: I originally had a latency column in there, but it quickly got dicey. Latency numbers are hard to come by and they can mean different things.

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#2503

Thank you, @Starthief! Added.

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#2504

Good question! Are they not related? (genuine question) As I’m imagining it, the chirpiness is coming from the envelope being fired off just before the quantizer adjusts the note pitch so I’m hearing a little tail of the old “notes” pitch before the new pitch is sent. I can diminish the chirping by using a slower envelope but my thought is that I could also possibly diminish it by using a faster quantizer? It seems cumbersome to delay all my envelopes that tie to pitch.

Please set me straight if I’m thinking of this wrong!

I can totally see how latency would be hard to compile. If someone did benchmarking it would be great though.

#2505

Might depend on the patch. You might have to try a variety of different (simple) patch configurations to triangulate where exactly the chirp is getting introduced. I don’t have any experience with Argos, either, so I’m at a disadvantage. If you use the trigger out from Argos to fire your envelope, does the chirp disappear? If not, I’d definitely contact IME.

#2506

Anyone have experience with Ladik’s K-10 Utility CV Keyboard and K-011 Trig to keyboard?

It seems like an interesting (and new to me) way to generate melodies with trigger patterns and break away from one pulse per step. I guess something like Metropolis or Muxlicer has different pulse counts built in to each step, but I’m imagining this would allow for more complicated patterns. Of course complicated patterns may be defeated by the monophonic sequencer and note priority.

#2507

I’ll second what @nutritionalzero said: You can’t quite replace Marbles with Teletype. I tried implementing some of it, and you run out of line space pretty quickly. Also, without TXi, you don’t have much in the way of variable controls (knobs, CV). You can, of course, do different things with Teletype, but if you like Marbles, set it aside so you can use it when you want to. There is no replacing it.

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#2508

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#2509

only just got a marbles but using it w/ teletype has been a load of fun. loaded in a 0 - 5 v custom scale that selects pitch values from a pattern and gives me the highly-intuitive spread / bias control of note distribution (with the option to offset or change patterns to work off a new set of pitch values). I also think, on the whole, this system might have too many audio sources for its size to work with sensitively (esp. if you’re using tt for just type functionality, which has quickly become most of the auditory meat of my 6u, since six oscillators through different fx channels + modulation of time really can feel like 6 distinct voices). also a little light on vcas for a system with so much stereo, imo.

might be worth looking into tt expanders, too, since they add so much functionality in SO. LITTLE. ROOM. the jokes about tt being complete system when you integrate expanders are only very mild exaggerations. it’s as deep as you’re willing to make it and can replace almost everything (like… I sold my octatrack and unracked my midi2cv once I hit the first tt proficiency plateau since I have a smaller / simpler / cheaper sampler and could get everything I wanted out of OT with txi + txo).

I’d recommend 16n for hands-on timbrel control. it feels soooo good.

have 0 x-pan experience (because I have two cold macs and 10 channels of vca besides) but it seems to do only one of the things it does (panorama) ‘better’ than other things, and it’s a very specific effect (although I feel similarly re: qpas vs 2 x 3s wrt resonant peaks so maybe you’re just into that sound – if so, groovy!).

#2510

This has given me a lot to think on. On one hand, I really don’t wanna lose Teletype but I wonder about my decision to go with Maths over Zadar and Batumi, if only for all the things they offer in such small sizes and then opting for some vca/utility like cold Mac to replace Teletype. That would leave me with strictly Ansible for sequencing in the case which doesn’t seem super ideal but It seems like it would be enough. All that said, I have no intention of selling modules at this time and would instead begin building a second 7U system and a Palette where I’d like to say I’d stop myself. Ideally though each rack is fairly self contained but can also cross over into each other as necessary.

#2512

See, I was steered away from Stages while having Just Friends from someone claiming they were fairly similar in the gist of their functions but I’m not so sure I agree. I’m not super fond on the screen either but having such complex modulation so quickly is attractive and also amount per hp is also really handy. At this point I’ve got 38 hp up for grabs depending on what will round out the system as much as possible. I feel like Just Friends without Teletype would be foolish knowing what it’s capable of but can’t help but wonder if there’s another configuration that might suite what I consider essential on here better…

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#2514

This may be a question better suited elsewhere, but how essential would you say Just Type is to getting the most from Just Friends? Would I be missing out substantially if I were to swap it out in favor of utility and modulation?

#2516

I have Just Friends and stages, don’t have teletype. Just friends is my absolute favourite module, it’s also nothing like stages, though they can perform similar functions. It’s how they do it, that make them vastly different. I started to use stages as harmonic oscillator as of late. I also don’t think I miss anything by not having Teletype. Just friends on it’s own is suuuper deep.
I also wanted to get Zadar at first but it was out of stock so I got just friends.

#2518

Pairs really nicely with Just friends :slight_smile:

#2519

I completely forgot about the Easter egg mode on Stages… and here I was thinking I had almost figured this rack out haha

I think I might opt to pickup Just Friends before I do anything else since it seems my decision is partially contingent on what that ISN’T capable of. Part of this issue is I see myself using it in sound mode more frequently than for modulation but I guess we’ll see.