#363

If you’re not opposed to VST synths, check out Chipsounds PortaFM – a really good emulation of Yanaha OPLL chips. It really hits my nostalgia buttons and sounds great (in a crappy way, or the other way around) :smile:

Hertz Donut has those dirty aliased sines and great linear TZFM, not quite the Yamaha sound but in a similar vein sometimes.

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#364

Did someone say modular FM?

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edit: not mine but I do have a 1/2 full one.
edit edit: no menu diving!? Since you can’t even edit patches directly on these things it’s perfect :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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#365

By utility, I mean things like logic modules or other niche processors of CV or audio. Attenuverters, VCA’s, and envelope generators are essential building blocks, so I’m not referring to such things quite as much - but even there, their inclusion is frequently minimal. There’s a whole “utility” category on ModularGrid full of examples.

You should just practice a lot with what you have. Acquire pieces that interest you. Try removing things you’re not using. Try using things in ways you haven’t used them. What you need will start to become clear!

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#366

The preenfm2 module is something i hope comes to fruition for FM-yness.

#367

I haven’t done it before, but it looks to me like you can slave the voltage block to the varigate via the busboard.
But the cool thing is you can use the varigates as a kind of master to trigger whatever else through patching too. I use my 8+ like this as a master control module, sending out weird probability based clocks / triggers, still rhythmically connected because of the Varigate master tempo, to everything I can.

Clouds is great, I use that all the time too, but I just know i’ll be jealous with the new successor :sweat_smile:

#368

I read on Mutable forums that another batch was due for this June. As new as it is I don’t think it’ll be difficult to find one ~

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#369

Folks with the Moog 60hp case, how many screws does it have? Shopping around and some images show around 15 and others shoe only 4 on each rail?

#370

Just trippin :sunglasses:

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Still debating if Mangrove is the right decision over JF for me, any special uses that could be opened via O_C here that go into just Type territory?

But this little box will have me studying dimensions of Fun for a while!
Thinking about it did cost me around the same as a octatrack or op1 + some effect pedal…i think this was the right move and actually not expensive when looking at the versatility

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#371

I’m using eurorack since few months (aa make noise based system) and now I’m starting to be confident with my gears, signals and tecniques in general. My questions is how to use gates? I know that I can use to trigger maths and then use envelopes to shape my sounds but i’m wondering if there’s another kind of use of gates signals. thx all!!!

#372

Mangrove is a single voice, analog oscillator and Just Friends/Just Type is a digital polysynth + requires Teletype. They are completely different ends of the spectrum.

#373

Yet JF isnt anymore a „synth“ then mangrove if iam not completely off?

#374

Mine has something around 15. If you saw an image of one with only 4, it was probably one that used to contain a Mother-32.

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#375

Mangrove is more of a basic component with some options for shaping the sound. The AIR input gives you a low-pass gate/VCA too. You will need an envelope unless you just want a constant drone.

By itself, Just Friends is an oscillator too and not a synth. ‘Just Type’ is a synth in the sense that you have 6 voices with triggerable envelopes (each voice shares the same attack/decay length.), but those notes must be triggered from Teletype. If you’re just getting into eurorack, it’s quite an odd way to get started, to be honest.

#377

Hmmmmm thinking of the 3 sines of the Sisters

Debating of adding a second mangrove to the first or rather 3 sisters. I think the later would give me more sonics!? As filter aswell as a vco to tune against mangrove

#378

this is definitely where it starts to be just up to you, in the end :wink:

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#379

i’ve only had sisters for a few months and never had mangrove, so some corroboration from a more experienced user might be nice, but here’s my take:

sisters sounds great as a sound source, but trying to make tuned counterpoint between a more “traditional” oscillator like mangrove and sisters may be frustrating. the center output is easy enough to tune via the frequency knob, but the other two (higher and lower) are much harder to nail down to a musical interval with the span knob. adding any FM makes everything totally crazy. i’d imagine quantizers could help get you the result you want, but that’s a lot of extra space and cash and maybe defeats the purpose. also i don’t think they track 1v/o?

for me, sisters is usually filter first, sound second. i mostly use the “sound source” side to add interesting harmonics to other stuff i’m filtering through it.

#380

As a sound source, 3 Sisters Low output is the only one that is tuned for 1v per octave. The others wont quite track.

Edit: According to the manual.

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#381

Hmm, I felt like Three Sisters tracked fairly decently on all the outputs (but Low was the most accurately shaped sine if I remember right?) I used the center to tune and then if I wanted more voices I’d adjust the intervals in Span.

I used my TS mostly as a sound source and for filter FM. I wound up trading it for a Belgrad last week, and have no regrets – it’s more flexible in some ways, particularly as a sound source, and gets into weirder and harsher territory. It’s also more complex/difficult to dial in and doesn’t quite capture the character of Three Sisters. If I used filters more, I’d really prefer to have both of them.

#382

Mine does have variable tracking depending on the Span, but Low seems the most accurate. Kind of a shame there aren’t any clever just-intonation chords on the Span knob, just strange choirs and octaves. I guess that would be a bit too involved for an analog design / mess with the expected behavior outside of oscillation, though.

One thing that Three Sisters does that I haven’t gotten my MS-20 filter to do nearly as well is this: send a constant tone into the filter and modulate the cutoff with the resonance just below self-oscillation and then listen to her sing each harmonic as the cutoff moves through it.

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#383

Awesome infos guys thanks. I think that last statement making her sing is the same harmonic add mentioned Above…
I suppose this is similar behaviour (also the whole self oscillating) to the play between barrel and formant on the mangrove in constant Formant (both around 9 ccw)?
This is the sweet spot for me with Mg and i am having a hard time to make my head up if detuning 2 MGs slightly for a big voice or if the fine tuning of the „spectre“ aswell as complexity of timbres would be wider and more intriguing with Mg +3S instead 2xmg