Thanks all. I’m waiting on getting the PCB through then use a blank panel to mount it sideways.

Fwiw the module in question is the GMSN! Pure Noise. https://gmsn.co.uk/products/gmsn-pure-noise
Looking at the pics it looks like I can reduce the size of I mount it behind a 1U panel.

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Can confirm 22HP. Converted a Radio Music to 1U a while back and it turned out that size.

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Anything you would recommend instead? I just ordered a Tip Top Happy Ending Kit to get started hooking up some modules, but if I should upgrade the power supply out of the gate I’m interested to hear it.

If you already bought it and don’t plan on returning it may as well use it! As I expanded things got more and more unrecordably noisy but not right off the bat, YMMV. Some modules can introduce noise to the system, etc., which better power distribution can help mitigate.

A busboard that’s not functionally the equivalent of a flying busboard on a PCB – e.g. something with a ‘star’ distro design, etc. and a linear PSU seems to be a decent path. I still get more noise out of some modules than I’d like but things are much, much better.

Any discussion of power on MW seems to turn into a tire-fire pretty quickly; definitely a subject that stirs up outsized opinions :upside_down_face:

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Personally, I’m using two uZeus with 12U of modules and have had zero problems: I wouldn’t worry about until you run into an actual problem.

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I’ll echo what @LSA said. I started off with a 4ms row power with flying bus cables. Worked fine for a year and a half. But there was lots of bleed and a high noise floor. It eventually introduced a high pitch whine into my signal and decided I’d had enough. I just upgraded to two intellijel tps80s which are star rated distros. It’s a night and day difference.

Just a note, since I’ve seen some people confused by the terminology. “Star” when discussing power supplies for modular (and in some other contexts too) is a reference to the physical design and layout of the board, not a rating of quality or something. Star topologies put the central ground physically near the middle of the board, and directly run each output’s ground line to that central point. “Flying busses” link the furthest module’s ground through the next furthest, and so forth until you reach the main ground point on the PSU. The difference is that in a “star” grounding system, high currents and ground noise affect the other modules less, since they are not in a chain on the same wire.

Now, if your modules are well behaved and don’t draw a lot of current, a flying bus can be just fine. Or, if you pay attention to the current draw and put your higher current modules on the side closest to the PSU connection, you can also mitigate this problem to a large degree. But for situations where certain modules are particularly noisy or everything pulls a reasonable amount of power (e.g. more than a few tens of milliwatts) then you may gain by using a star topology. You might also gain by using a separate PSU for the very noisy modules, if you’re really in love with them and want them to calm down a bit. In that case the flying buses might still be just fine for the other modules. YMMV.

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Thanks for explaining. Again, it’s made quite a noticeable difference in my 12U system. Lots of Make Noise, a White Whale, Intellijel, WMD, I.M., etc,

Thanks for the input! I’m approaching modular with the idea to not prematurely optimize too much, so I’ll keep this all in mind as time passes. :slight_smile:

Regarding star and flying bus: If one was putting a lot of small modules into a row, and was within power draw limits, can a flying bus ribbon be used on one of the star’s points to get more slots without too much complication?

Usually this should be ok. The main concern would be total power draw off that single point. If it’s significantly larger than off any other point you’ve effectively reverted to a flying bus topology and lost the benefits of the star. Either way those modules would not significantly benefit from the star advantage. But yes, within reason it’s worth a try.

Hey there,

I’m very new to modular synthesis. I studied music theory and various brass, strings, and woodwinds for years, then stopped playing completely for about seven years. I bought a Berhinger D on a whim, and now have a René. An Optomix should be coming in the mail shortly. I’m having fun making some tones but I have no idea how to control what I have. I thought I could use the René like a keyboard substitute–am I completely wrong with that? Or have I just not figured out how to use it properly?

I’m also a little stuck on what I should get next. I’m considering either a dpo or maths from Make Noise. Would either of those make sense?

Thank you!

I think you need to learn the basics in synthesis. I know I had to when I first started out.
This series are quite good and right on point: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa9Em_H8Xs_al-r_90xYiuiz-3N8HZyf_

plug the quantized cv into the Behringer D’s pitch input (Osc 1v/oct) and one of the gate outs into the amp envelope gate (LC Gate) or filter envelope gate (FC Gate). You should then be able to play the pads of the Rene (you’ll have to tune the knobs so that the pads correspond to the notes you want for whatever melody…or tune them in a chromatic scale if you want to play it like you would a keyboard). You may need to control the length of the gate through some sort of configuration within the Rene (I don’t own one, but it looked like it was possible by googling about it)

When you get your optomix, you can try opening up the filter and amp so that you get a constant tone from the D. Plug the D into the in of a channel fo the optomix, and use a short gate from rene to “ping” the vactrol (strike input on optomix). This will give a natural decay because the vactrol is an led + photo-resistor underneath and doesn’t instantly turn off, but rather fade once the gate signal is no longer present.

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Hey! I’m planning out my first case build, and was wondering if anyone has done this or has thoughts about this:

I have 2 x 104hp frames that I was initially going to just build into a 6u case, but I had the idea that I could split them into 2 3u cases, one containing the PSU and can be run standalone, and another connected by 4-pin XLR or something. The benefit being that I can take a smaller 3u case with me gigging (I play guitar in a psych rock band atm, but it would be nice to work in some modular parts), and expand into 6u when I’m at home.

Thanks!

thank you! I’ll try that tonight!

Koma makes the Strom power modules that allows for this (active module in one skiff, passive in another).

EDIT: There are probably other options out there too (also never used or heard much about the Koma supplies–unsure if it is a good option or not, just remebered it had that linking feature as you mentioned)

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4ms Row Powers can also be linked.

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Addac make the Eurorack bridge which may be what you are looking for.

Edit: for sending cv between cases.

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Cool! But I don’t think I know enough to even know what to ask haha