sadly, I don’t! Good luck with the explorations. there was also a makenoise video recently about patching the Allen Strange gong patch with the qpas, could be maybe applied to stuff you have on hand?

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Hey all, been planning this out for some time and would love your input.

Maybe some attenuators/inverters for JF?

And now for something completely different: does the Pamela’s New Workout offer significantly more than the Bastl Little Nerd as a clock manipulation tool? Of course I should just google it by myself, but I’m so n00bie that I don’t understand half the terms used in their desciptions. My idea is to buy one of them and just learn step by step. However the Little Nerd is offered also a kit and this means the Pamela’s cost divided by two… I need that kind of module for making the sequences more interested, complicated, evolving, varied.

PNW is certainly rather different from Little Nerd.

The former is a clock generator (and it can also generate various forms of gates and fluctuating CV), it offers MIDI clock integration options and an actual BPM setting. It can be used to start and stop your sequence. It has a menu with a tiny screen. Basically, it gives you a ton of synchronized clocks, and when you’re not using the outputs as clocks, you can have them do other useful things. For many people, PNW sits at the start of every patch and functions as a sort of master controller. You live and die by the push encoder, which bothers some and not others.

The latter is an elaborated clock divider/multiplier. You have to feed it one or two clocks (such as a square wave from an oscillator), and then it can do nice musical things to transform that binary stream. A basic LFO is provided that you can use as a clock source. No menu, but you have to memorize some LED color codes and the editing scheme for each. The interface is massively overloaded, which bothers some and not others.

As usual with Eurorack, it all comes down to what you want to do and how you want to do it!

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Yeah the bastl is amazing! But my biggest concern is lack of LFOs

My real question now to think of it is what does Pam’s new workout give me that Ornament Crime Micro Does not?

Pam’s is going to give you 2X as many outputs as O&C, and is going to be somewhat more convenient than O&C at what it does. Obviously, O&C does a bunch of other things, too. Both add lots of value to a system, but they’re not really in the same bin. (Temps Utile is maybe a more appropriate comparison with PNW.) That said, if I wanted LFOs, I’d look to Batumi.

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One thing that PNW offers that Little Nerd does not is CV inputs to manipulate behavior. These can be used to manipulate parameters like the length of an envelope, the value of a probability (so changing the likelihood that an envelope will fire), or the values determining a Euclidian pattern. These can also be used to ‘rotate’ some of the outputs, so the clock going out from 1 goes to 2, 2 moves to 3, etc. This can inject a lot of variety into your sequences.

You mention specifically these modules as clock sources, but one thing to consider is that Pamela’s New Workout can provide envelopes and LFOs as part of the package. If you’re getting started, you might actually save some money or space with PNW because of the additional functionality it provides.

As @mdoudoroff mentions, the Little Nerd interface is overloaded. It requires some memorization, and it’s a little fiddly to dial things in. Pamela’s is menu diving, and some people don’t like screens, but you can tell what you’re doing with it.

I have both. I use PNW when I want to know what’s going on and when I’m making music that’s more ‘square’, more 4/4. I use Little Nerd more for happy rhythmic accidents, chaos, and when I don’t want the module to necessarily do exactly what I expect, which I often find useful and enjoyable. This doesn’t mean you can’t use Little Nerd to be precise, but I do think it takes more effort, and that it lends itself better to spontaneity and unpredictability.

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I’m aware of the interface differences. More interesting question for me is whether PNW can do significantly more than the Little Nerd in the field of making sequences more interesting/complicated (together with a sequencer like Rene for example) or if it can expand capabilities of the midules like Marbles.

By virtue of external clock and reset input (and variable PPQN settings), Pam’s will be much more useful than Little Nerd when combined with modules like Marbles and Rene since Pam’s doesn’t have to be the first module in your chain. E.g. clock Pam from Rene touchplates.

They can both do a lot of similar things, but if I were speaking broadly, I would say that I think of PNW more like a clock generator and Little Nerd more like a clock manipulator. PNW can also manipulate incoming clocks, and Little Nerd can be your clock source, but you use up a channel of Little Nerd if you have it generate your clock.

If you’re using Marbles you have a clock source, though you may want to clock Marbles externally rather than using it as your primary source. Rene doesn’t provide its own clock unless you are repeatedly tapping touch plates, which is an interesting definition of clock :slight_smile:

The answer is always, it depends what you’re trying to do and how you want to do it. But very generally, PNW is a more capable module and is a better value both for money and size, since it can provide a lot more functionality than Little Nerd. I wouldn’t go with Little Nerd unless a) you wanted to build a kit - that’s why I have mine - and b) you wanted the specific interface it provides. I wouldn’t view Little Nerd as a financial savings unless you have your clock generation 100% sorted elsewhere and you’re viewing this module strictly as clocking ‘spice’.

On the other hand, in a small system I think Little Nerd would be a more interesting companion to Marbles, if Marbles was your main driver. In a small system I would view Marbles, or PNW, as the “driver”. They’re not exactly redundant, and you can clock either Marbles from PNW or vice versa, but, both modules kind of want to “be in charge”, and in particular I would feel if Marbles is your main driver, PNW would be somewhat under-utilized as a clock divider/multiplier.

This is my view, and other folks have others which may work for them!

If nothing else, if you get PNW and don’t like it, you will stand a much better chance of reselling it than you would a DIY Little Nerd.

(I keep adding things as I think of them, sorry for the edits!)

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Marbles really shines in combo with a multi clock/trigger source like PNW. I haven’t examined Little Nerd in a while but were i to use it with Marbles it would be “downstream” - manipulating clock and gates from Marbles.

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I really like this metaphor. PNW is more of an ‘upstream’ module, though it can be used ‘downstream’. In my opinion, Little Nerd is more effective ‘downstream’.

(I love Lines.)

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Sometimes I just like using PNW as a master play/stop/reset transport button. Being able to start and stop my sequence while i’m focused on something else saves my sanity!

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I didn’t get along with PNW because all its outputs are based on a single master clock, whether it’s internal or external. I wanted to manipulate trigger streams, not just base 8 outputs on one steady clock.

So I went with Teletype :grin:

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same here - i used PNW to trigger TT scripts for a while, but once i got more TT proficient i was having a lot more fun using a combo of funky M script machinations and manual triggering so i sold PNW.

i will say, if you don’t mind the clicking and scrolling there’s hardly a better bang for your buck/HP than PNW when it comes to modulation and clock sources! i was trying to streamline my system even further and realized i could be accomplishing almost all of my PNW functions with TT.

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This is good, I meant to mention this. It kind of kills me when a clock source does not have a stop/start button. I’m looking at you, Tempi (and Tempi is my main clock these days).

PNW also has expanders which among other things send MIDI clock out. You could in theory clock your DAW from PNW, and I have used it to clock a Mother-32’s sequencer.

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When someone makes a kind of Pam’s/Tempi hybrid, I will be there. #vigilant

Some Launch Codes flavor would also set it off.

I recently added a Joranalogue Filter 8. When feedback patched it does the nicest bells and gongs I’ve ever made. For these types of sounds, I think it tops Rubicon. Filter 8 is a very good module.

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Hey all, curious here about Norns, Grids, and Eurorack.
In the past you would go grids to say, White Wale or Meadowphysics to euro.

But now can’t you simply go Grids to Norns to ANY USB EURORACK INTERFACE? Thus giving you endless grids possibility without new modules with one function per?