A question about midi2cv modules: are there any multi-channel options narrower than Befaco’s Midi thing (DIN in) or ALM’s mmMIDI (TRS in)? At a minimum, two channels of CV/pitch and gate needed. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

That question gets very interesting very quickly. I ordered ALM’s mmMIDI plust mmT to pair with my Beatstep Pro. It was quick and painless. The other option I was looking at was the Hexinverter Mutant Brain. I’ve been told that’s easy to configure. If you want narrower, maybe check out one of the 6HP clones of Mutable’s Yarns or LPZW’s TRAM8 3U.

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Erica Synths is 6hp (DIN) and can be configured for monophonic, duophonic, mutiple MIDI channels, mod or vel out and a clock out. Bonus big Glide knob.

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Thanks both. Those are great suggestions. I think if I go through with switching modules around (I’m still trying to persuade myself to hold fire), the ALM is probably the one for me. Or Erica definitely if I can make it fit.

I don’t know of any since that’s pretty much the job of a quantizer. Some of the digital oscillators have quantizers built in, though.

This is almost definitely more cumbersome than you are looking for but Akemie’s castle can work like this. Each of the four operators has a cv-able “multiplier” input that is essentially an octave switch. Typically this is used to aid in shaping timbre with FM but I’ve definitely used it to make the carrier bounce around octaves (and akemie’s does have sine as an available waveshape). There may be other smaller FM-oriented osciallators that could let you do something like this.

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can anyone recommend any good beginners resources for learning eurorack techniques? I feel like i have the foundations down fine but CV mixing, offset, quantizing, and other semi or actually intermediate steps are still beyond me

thanks alot!

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I am not an advanced eurorack person but if you either invest in an oscilloscope or have the ability to send signals into your computer to use a scope there, that will make a lot of those things much more clear.

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Sure! What sort of system do you have?

For me this comes down to making a mental model of the signals; this gets missed in a lot of modular synth “tutorials” which are either too fundamental, or too focused on a particular end result. That’s to say: it’s all voltage but outputs create signals with certain intended significance, encoded in a certain way and inputs correspondingly expect certain signals encoded in a certain way to have certain meanings. You need to understand the voltage range, intent of the signal and its encoding to understand the topics you describe.

First voltage, you have a +/-12V supply meaning almost all voltages fall in that range. Since most amps can’t reach rail to rail output, the practical voltage range for encoded signals tends to be +/-10V. Most signals are AC but some are DC so you may hear terms like 10Vpp meaning 10V peak to peak which could be a range of 0-10V or +/-5V. Modules which are “AC coupled” have inputs and or outputs that filter out DC signals meaning if you send in a 0-10V AC signal it treats it the same as a +/-5V signal; a DC coupled module retains the asymmetry.

Broadly you have:

  1. Audio
  2. Pitch
  3. Gate
  4. Modulation

Audio is an audio waveform: one that, if used to move a speaker cone, would produce the corresponding sound. Typically the waves run in the +/-5V range, as they are AC you often hear modular audio as being 10Vpp. In line level terms, full scale modular audio is at about +14db. Offsetting audio adds a DC bias which may be removed by the next AC coupled module. If you go into a DC coupled module with an DC bias, you get asymmetry which may result in asymmetric clipping (distortion). Mixing works in the way you probably intuitively understand for audio, quantization would result in a “bit crushed” version of the signal with more crushing, the less fine grained the quantization (quantization just snaps a continuous voltage to a set of predefined values based on which is closest).

Pitch is encoded in either Hz/v or v/Oct with an agreement that a certain voltage corresponds to an agreed pitch (e.g 0V=C0 for v/Oct or 1V = C0 in Hz/v): note that the pitch reference I mentioned is not the only choice and different inputs and outputs may generate or interpret differently. Focusing on V/Oct, consider the voltage range: if you chose 0V=C4 for example, you need negative voltages for lower notes; in contrast 0V=C0 needs higher voltages to reach higher notes. You often see 0-5V or +/-5V for pitch. If you add an offset to a pitch for V/Oct, a +1V offset raises the pitch by 1 octave, a -1V offset lowers by 1 octave. Mixing is a weighted sum of pitch signals. If the mixing is “unity gain” on quantized inputs the result will still be chromatically tuned but not necessarily in scale, if the inputs aren’t quantized then the outputs are also unquantized. If you quantize you snap the pitch voltages to notes in a scale. Quantizing after the sum often makes sense and keeps things melodic, but such sums can be confusing.

Gate, trig and clock are all variations on a theme. They typically output 0V or 5V where. Gate represents an extended event (held at 5v while the event lasts), trig represents an instantaneous one (short pulse of 5V: we usually only watch for the rising edge). Clock is a series of trigs at a set frequency in musical time, e.g 24 pulses per quarter note. Inputs expecting such signals usually have a threshold voltage that trigger the input so offsetting will usually have not effect up to a point, then cause it to always, or never trigger. Mixing can end up working like a logical OR. Quantizing typically has no effect.

Modulations are the final type and are intended to adjust other parameters. They run in various ranges up to +/-10V, but 0-10V, 0-5V, +/-5V are also common ranges. Typically inputs interpret positive voltages as positive adjustments to the parameter and negative voltages as negative offsets. An offset voltage will bias the modulation allowing a bipolar (+/-5V) signal to be offset to 0-10V and visa versa. A quantizer will “bit crush” the signal in the same way as it does for other signals: making it “steppy”. Mixing modulations will produce a weighted sum allowing for composite modulations to be created.

The final thought I had was on VCAs. A (linear) VCA can be thought of as multiplying signals where their full voltage range is ‘1’ so if the signal and CV are 1 the output is 1, if either or both inputs is 0 you get 0: this is like a logical ‘and’ when used for gates. Thinking of then as multiplying made it very obvious to me what the output of various combinations of signals would be.

Anyway, this is a fairly long and rambling post so I’ll stop. My main point was: try and understand what the voltages look like and what impact what signals would have on which inputs. This mental model can make various “special” methods quite obvious. The complexity really comes in composing of signals and their second order interactions; similarly when adding elements which delay things (delay lines, shift registers etc). Either way, I hope this is helpful in some way.

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I’d like to split my suggestions into (1) tips for extending general knowledge and (2) some tips on how to approach learning your specific setup.

Sources of general knowledge:

  • Great starter video tutorials can be found at https://nightmachines.tv/
  • Chris Meyer is fantastic. I highly recommend his Patch & Tweak book. Sign up for his newsletter, read his glossary (yes, he made a synth terminology dictionary!) and dive into his blog archive at https://learningmodular.com/
  • Study the manuals of the Moog Mother 32 and DFAM. Great, simple and tasteful explanations.

Sources of specific knowledge:

  • Power up your setup and watch videos of modules you own (don’t go down the rabit hole, be a good boy and stick to watching videos of modules you actually own). Pause and patch to feel/hear for yourself.
  • Download and read the manuals of modules you own. Try every feature that is in the manual to hear what it does, understand how it relates/interacts and figure out how you can use that musically.
  • Find patch examples of modules you own, try them, twist them to get what sounds good to you.

Some final tips:

  • Allow yourself time to learn. Decide consciously if you engage in a ‘learning session’ or a ‘creative session’, when powering up your system. As my rig is in the living room I even tell my wife when I am in ‘learning mode’. It gives me the headspace to allow myself to produce nonsensical sound, while exploring/learning.
  • Record your patches. Listen to them. Decide what can be approved. Search for sources to gain that knowledge.
  • Sit and patch with a friend/neighbor/spouse. Let him/her ask questions and/or try stuff themselves. Explain stuff. Share the excitement. Encounter gaps in your knowledge and what stuff you want to learn (better). Go to the above mentioned sources to gain that knowledge. Sit and patch more with that friend…

Hope to have been of help. Enjoy the ride!

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I hope the photos okay! This is it this far and I’d like to keep it within the boundaries of the two row 84. My want list is an intellejel bifold, quad vca, And an ieaskul mobenthey dunst. I want to make rough sounding acid kinda tunes. Wouldn’t mind replacing the wasp with a slightly more reliable filter

Also have a serge ssg enroute

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These are fantastic suggestions :slight_smile:

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When my multicores arrived I noticed that they have a pair of little IDC headers on the back with the i/o labeled. It’s not part of the description on the site but I just had it confirmed that these are put there so that we can link these units behind the panel. I think this is great and will certainly be getting more of them if I get good results with these first ones. The problem I’m having is that I can’t find any source for the 8 way IDC cables. They are 2.00mm pitch rather than the usual 2.54, arranged as two rows of 4.
Has anyone out there got a source for these niche cables that don’t involve me buying 30 meters of ribbon and 500 connectors? I’m keen to do this but not thaaat keen.

Hi!
I have 12 hp blank space left on my case. I would like to have a midi interface in order to control my eurorack from Norns. I’m thinking in Kria or ORCA running on Norns, controlling my eurorack. Could do that with Yarns from Mutable Instruments? I would have 4 midi channels, isn’t it?

I’d recommend cv.ocd, it’s awesome, 4 pairs of gate/cv + 8 triggers, super configurable + it doesn’t take up any hp. If you want it in the rack there’s mutant brain which is a clone in euro format. Not sure of the ethics behind the cloning though EDIT: it seems it’s perfectly fine, the pcb on the mutant brain states it a licensed product, sorry, bout that didn’t intend to spread misinformation!!!

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Don’t forget you’ll also need a MIDI out device for that :slight_smile:
Crow might be a good alternative maybe?

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The Mutant Brain is legit, on the PCB it says “A licensed project based on the CV.OCD by Jason Hotchkiss”.

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Thanks, for clearing that up, very good to hear, will edit my original post!

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The Mutant brain has been amazing for my set up. Extremely easy to integrate. Can’t recommend it enough.

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