#2358

I got three of these…
Only thing missing from you list is the last part of your last one (visual feedback on summed out).

By default it cuts a channel from mix out if you plug something into individual out. You need to solder wires for the channels you want to keep in in mix out + individual out (this is the description Kevin from zlob send me):

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#2359

4ms matrix mixer will get you there with the added bonus of being a matrix mixer

#2360

@Namonzy @a773 appreciate the suggestions and i have both actually! but they are lacking in some of the visual feedback i’m hoping for

#2361

So the overall module you are looking for is a (DC coupled) CV mixer/VCA with visualisation (possibly bipolar LEDs) on each signal input, on each CV input, on each individual output and on the master summed out, plus ideally a toggle (switch or button) per input to select if each channel is included in the master sum or not? You’d also need an attenuverter per input (maybe acting as a bipolar voltage source when no input is present). I’m not sure such a thing exists though it isn’t necessarily much more complex than many other VCA/Mixer designs out there. I’m imagining 12-16HP for such a thing depending on the density of controls (and hence usability); it makes me wonder if you could get most of the way there with 2 or 3 modules side by side?

#2362

You could do something really fun and get a bunch of those happy nerding led meters.
Damn, now I want a bunch of those…

#2363

Yeah essentially I find the visualization of CV really helpful when patching, and I do have an oscilloscope, as well as visual feedback on some of the modules that would be generating / receiving the CV going to / coming from this mixer, but I guess I’m daydreaming about an all-in-one package where I could see this info at a glance.

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#2364

For visual feedback, you might also be able to supplement those existing modules with jack lights or some of those cables with LEDs in them.

#2365

Some buffered mults have these built in too, like the ALA one I have.

#2366

As far as I’ve seen those cables have been sold out for years but I would love to know if you know where to get some! Perhaps a jack light into a Stackcable is the way to go for now…

#2367

@andrewhuang I use jack light into stackcable for a lot of modules (especially with NLC) and it’s pretty useful when the module have no Led for visual

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#2368

The stackable to jack light seems like the best option: DIY jack lights are also extremely easy to make if they are out of stock (<5 minutes a piece). Having said that, I always find jack lights a little frustrating as you just insert them as a temporary probes Vs watching the live signal. It makes me wonder about a “stack light” with a head like a stackable, but no cable (an LED where the cable would be). Another thing I wonder is how useful a many input oscilloscope with small display would be, for example 12 inputs displayed as tiny graphs in a grid. Often I just want to see overall shape without specific details: An LED doesn’t work that well in that regard for complex shapes and high rates.

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#2369

ladik sell these:

#2370

There isn’t a spot on the checkbox to select them, which is kind of weird. Also, it looks like the shop is closed for the year. Lastly, I don’t think they are shipping to North America, or has that changed?

#2371

Does anyone presently use the 1010music Toolbox? Unlike their other modules, it seems to be pretty sparsely used, and there are few demo videos on Youtube or elsewhere.

I was considering the Hermod, but it would be lovely to have a larger screen to view and even edit sequences (though I mostly plan to live/step record with a MIDI keyboard). However, relying on pinch zoom and drag pan means that touchscreen responsiveness is everything, and that’s hard to judge in a marketing video.

#2372

Better not think about hermod as a sequencer primarily, but a connectivity hub with a sequencer on top. As a sequencer without external midi it is mediocre at best.

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#2373

FWIW, I’ve noticed there are some clearly happy Toolbox users out there. There are also some really unhappy ones. The happy ones seem content with what it offers, and the unhappy ones feel it hasn’t been updated aggressively enough, that it’s unfinished, and/or abandoned. I recommend reading the threads in the 1010music forum and MW carefully, to see if you can construct a perspective.

Much of the uncertainty and doubt is the direct result of 1010’s poor (I’ll say it) marketing. The case for Toolbox was just never put out there forcefully in the first place, and while they’ve updated the firmware, they never followed through on showing it off. It seems to me that they treat it more as an accessory to their other modules than as a standalone product, and I think it’s pretty obvious that those four MIDI outputs are first and foremost there for connecting other *box modules.

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#2374

I’d love to hear more on this - from what I’ve seen it looks usable as a sequencer with an external keyboard for input, but is it particularly limited in that role? If for instance I wanted to do step sequencing with a MIDI keyboard, would I be missing out using the Hermod over other devices?

#2375

With external keyboard it’s absolutely capable. It records what you input and then can process it on top. But it gets twiddly once you remove midi keyboard. Still capable but not immediate

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#2376

Ah, that makes plenty of sense. Thank you!

I think sequencing is an area where there is still a lot of room for innovation in this format, tbh.

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#2377

Loopop’s two videos on Bitbox suggest the 1010 touchscreens are nicely responsive (although I wouldn’t expect Apple-grade responsiveness), but it’s also clear that you do fair amount with the encoders. Of course, for Eurorack modules with touchscreens, 1010 is nearly the only game in town.

Oh yes.

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