#326

Speaking as a user but not for Lines:

As I understand it, Lines has a bias towards fewer threads. We’re encouraged to keep conversations around topics rather than creating new ones continuously.

Certain equipment will get dedicated threads - Monome because this is the Monome forum, Mannequins modules because they’re fellow travelers. There are also counter-examples to this. But in general, I think Lines biases towards discussing techniques and methods rather than specific pieces of equipment - filtering, sequencing, logic, rather than Fracture and Rene and Plog.

The Eurorack category at MW is clogged with so many “help me finish my rack” posts and basic repetitive posts. I think there’s a desire to keep those consolidated here.

Also, isolating Eurorack into a category sort of implies that it doesn’t interoperate with other equipment. Which, it does of course. There’s no reason per se to give Eurorack its own isolated area, when many people here use it in conjunction with other kinds of gear.

Those are my thoughts as to why. I am kind of grateful the questions are gathered together here.

Edit: @909one I had originally said ‘speaking as a local’, but that implies some kind of knowledge or status difference, and I did not mean to imply that. I am just a user of the Lines forum, same as you. I have no special status. No disrespect or ‘othering’ was intended, but in retrospect I probably would have taken it that way myself.

All I meant to say was, this is my understanding of the choices moderators have made and possibly the reasoning for them and the benefits of them.

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#327

Thinking about getting rid of my doepfer clock sequencer, as I really don’t know what I could use it for…what do you think?

#328

Clocks and sequencers are my favorite modules. You can use it to modulate any parameter in your system. Send it to your filter’s frequency.

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#329

I really like my ribbon controller too. I have mine (A-198 TRC) patched to cover four octaves. The lowest bass octave provides a cushion for the higher pitched notes sequenced in other modules. I set it to hold “on” and play it quite slowly. I patch it through an o_C in hemispheres mode using the quantizer and filter it with the Rossum Morpheus which is being modulated by a Batumi. I don’t use an envelope so the drone like sounds morph into each other without a clean release. Its just one technique of many with a ribbon.

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#331

I don’t think any of us could tell you whether you should get rid of it :slight_smile: not without knowing your musical styles, goals, amount of room in rack, financial situation, childhood history, whether you prefer raspberry sorbet or pistachio ice cream…

If your question is, ‘what could I do with this module’, I agree, looking at the manual for the A-161, it does seem a bit limited. I can think of a few things though:

  • Most obvious: it sends 8 triggers out in sequence, so this can be used to trigger events in an up-to-8 step sequence, each trigger going someone different. This seems most useful to me for creating rhythmic loops, either percussion-y or not.
  • Since each step is its own trigger, it might be helpful to send triggers from a few of the outs into a mult or an OR, so that they can be grouped and sent to the same destination. I could see for example sending the 1, 4, and 7 triggers to the same percussive element to get a syncopated rhythm going.
  • Using the same ‘summing’ idea: if you sent 4 of the triggers to say a Quadratt, or some other summing attenuverter, each of the triggers would come out the last out. You can use the attenuverters to scale each ‘note’ to get a pitch or CV sequence. So, let’s say again we’re doing 1, 4, 7, each into a channel of the attenuverter. The A-161 puts out +5V, so tune the first one to output 1V, second to 1.5V, third to 2V. This gives you a sequence of 1V - 0V - 0V -1.5V - 0V - 0V - 2V - 0V, or C1 - C0 - C0 - G1 - C0 - C0 - C2 - C0. Not necessarily the most interesting, but you could take that idea to do something more to your taste.
  • Because the A-161 responds to reset, the steps could be used to create interesting rhythms out of the /2 and /4 outputs. If you patched the 7 step to reset, you’ll effectively have a 6 step ‘sequence’. This will make the /4 output do something like ONE two three four FIVE six ONE two three four FIVE six. Patching 8 to reset will make /2 put out something like ONE two THREE four FIVE six SEVEN ONE two etc. Since there are only 8 steps, this doesn’t do anything interesting for /8 or beyond.

All that said, it may not fit your workflow or you might want the space back. It’s a pretty specialized module. That said, since I would imagine you might have difficulty unloading it, it may be fun to use it as an exercise in ‘what if I did this…’.

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#332

I was talking about the doepfer a-161, and I really don’t know what I could use it for

#333

In addition to the other suggestions, you can run the outputs (or some of them) into a mixer to create CV sequences.

If you’ve got multiple sequencers, you can use the A-160 to clock one of them and the A-161 to clock another one in a syncopated way.

Honestly though, I find something like the Circuit Abbey G8 more flexible – clock divider with several sets of divisions, trigger randomizer, counter and sort of an 8-way window comparator (where the incoming CV selects which output is turned on) all on one 4hp module. (And I wound up letting go of mine since I use Teletype to handle my clock/trigger/gate stuff so much anyway.)

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#334

I’ll probably get rid of it for a clep diaz

#335

I’m assuming you have an a-160 right? The a-161 won’t work without one.

The a-152 has a section that is quite similar to the a-161. I use it in combination with an OR logic gate to create gate sequences or to trigger events at different points (envelopes, sequencers etc.).

If you just want a simple trigger sequencer the Noise Engineering module would probably be a better fit. BUT the great thing about modules with a per-step gate output like the a-161 is that you can use the various outputs to trigger different things in the same patch.

#336

Yes I do have an A-160, can you make an example of such a patch? The doepfer manual is not really helping, as all the examples require more and more modules and I cannot find any tutorial on the web

#337

Do you have a link to your modular grid? That would help with making suggestions/patch examples.

#338

Sure, here you go (in place of the clep diaz I still have the A-161 and I haven’t bought the 2hp verb yet):

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#339

Mult your clock (or gate sequence) to the a-160 and one channel of Maths to use as an amplitude envelope. Run your vco through one of your filters and into a vca. Use one of the outputs of the a-161 to trigger a different envelope and use that envelope to modulate the filter frequency (or resonance). Use another output of the a-161 to sample a noise source with your sample and hold. Use the S&H output to modulate the decay time of maths. Use a third output to trigger another envelope and use this to modulate the frequency of your vco. Now you have two different accents as well as a a change in your envelope decay that occurs once per eight steps. Try different outputs for these three sources until you get a feel that you like.

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#340

I will try this later thanks! What is the relation of A-161 to A-160? I think I still don’t understand the module properly

#341

161 puts out triggers when the clock tells it to. Use these triggers to turn things on or off. Mix them together in a mixer to create a sequence.

#342

The a-161 advances one step for every clock pulse of whatever you’ve plugged in to the trigger in of the a-160. So it runs at the speed of the undivided clock.

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#343

So it’s just a mult of the clock in the A-160, right?

#344

The a-161 isn’t a mult of the clock, but it takes a multiple of the clock signal to work. Think of it as an 8 step trigger sequencer but every step has its own output.

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#345

Ok I think I get it now thanks

#347

I’m looking at getting a more comprehensive random generator… Currently I have a really old Turing Machine MK1 that someone gave me and a very simple 2hp Rnd. I’m considering upgrading to either an Ornament & Crime or a Marbles… Leaning towards Marbles because not totally found of menus but O&C does seem super powerful. For the record I’ve already owned a Wogglebug and didn’t gell with it… Can anyone compare the O&C vs Marbles?