#348

It was.

And I did get in touch with 4ms who fixed it for free and shipped it back, even though I’m not the original owner.

Seriously good customer service.

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#349

I’ve owned O&C two different times and sold it both times. (The first time I was mostly looking for envelopes and using the Piqued app; the second time I was using it for miscellaneous utilities in Hemisphere Suite.) But I’ve had Marbles since beta testing and I can’t imagine letting go of it unless I get out of Eurorack entirely or drastically shift the kind of music I make.

I never got on with the various sequencing-related stuff in O&C. Too much theory and too many menus. Marbles is immediate and clear for the most part; I don’t really have to think about it, I just start patching.

I also never got much into Wogglebug. The nice thing about Marbles (on the right side) is it gives you all kinds of ways to control the chaos – the quantization, Deja Vu, Spread and Bias, and the ability to sample incoming CVs. I feel like I can trust it to handle a part while I sequence/play other things, or use its related outputs in various roles.

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#350

I think they are completely different. Both are fantastic. I agree with you on the o_c - I dont like menu diving. I also dont use it as a polymorphic module - I tend to set it up and leave it. I am lucky in that I DIY most of my stuff and have built three - I tend to use one always in quantermain (usually with Turing machine-like functions). It gets set up and left - any wiggling is done on other modules that modulate it.
I also have three marbles (all diy - long story but one was essentially free from spare parts). Marbles is amazing to wiggle and play. It’s fantastic to cross-modulate from another marbles or self-modulate. It’s really versatile.

If you get an o_c then I’d suggest the micro version (it’s actually easier to use than the full-size). If you get a marbles - definitely get a factory full-size one: a lot of the fun is playing it and then the ergonomics are so important for me…

I dont know if this helps !

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#351

I owned Marbles, O&C and Wogglebug since they got released and not planning to get rid of any of them as they all have their own strength.

Marbles is an exceptional random generator with hands on control over parameters.It really suit my compositional style.

I personally do not enjoy using O&C much as a random generator for the lack of hands on control, however I found it an incredible source of inspiration in a set and forget type of scenario.Also, it is an amazing Quantizer with lots of cv controlled parameters to tweak to taste.

I find Wogglebug a great way to affect multiple parameters at the same time, because it can synchronize all random signal to a Master Clock, and when you clock that with your master clock it makes it a great way to influx some “controlled chaos” (for lack of better terms)The Lag Processor and 2 VOC are also a plus.

Loving also how Marbles and Wogglebug can interact with each other.

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#352

O&C is really great as a 4-channel quantizer. It’s a menu-driven module though. I always have to check the manual to do anything different with it, and it’s not an easy manual to read.

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#353

Thanks! This is very helpful. I was playing around with Marbles on VCV rack and already I can tell this will fit my style. I have another quantizer that love already, the Penrose, so I think if I didn’t have that I’d be more apt to go with the O & C.
Does it work well processing external cv? I’ve always kinda wanted that Bishops Miscellany module, and I feel like Marbles would be able to cover some of that ground as well.

#354

I feel like Marbles takes incoming CV as more of a guide than acting as a quantizer directly. It substitutes sampled values for random ones but then they’re still subject to the Spread/Bias controls.

#355

i’d like to know if the regular O_C and/or the hemisphere suite allow complex envelopes à la macromachines OMNIMOD or the xaoc ZADAR.
thx!

#356

The closest I get to a quantizer with Marbles is by modulating Bias with the signal I want to quantize and setting Spread to 0. But of course you are still dependant on the t section for gates.

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#357

Piqued in O_C has some fairly complex envelopes. It includes different curve types for each segment, so for instance, you could create an ADSAR envelope where the A section rapidly oscillates. Not quite the same as Zadar and there’s a fair bit of menu navigation to set it up. (Personally, it was the navigation that turned me away from Piqued as a primary envelope source.)

Hemisphere Suite has VectorEG, VectorLFO, VectorMod, VectorMorph with user-editable shapes. I don’t think the editor was available in the version I used, and IIRC the segments are linear and there are a limited number per waveform (and limited memory total). But VectorMorph is cool – it acts as a sort of lookup table for incoming CV. It’s too bad the O&C hardware isn’t fast enough to use it as an audio waveshaper (I mean, you can but you’re mostly getting sample rate reduction out of it).

#358

thank you!
but if i understand correctly, none of those apps allow modulating the envelope shapes/segments or their duration via ext.CV, right?

#359

Piqued lets you assign CV assignments to various things, though I don’t recall what exactly. I think Hemisphere Suite might allow CV over total time, but not individual segment time or any sort of shape balance… you’d have to check the documentation though.

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#360

twenty characters of thank you!

#361

another question - for rossum’s assimil8or owners:
could the shuttle or the scrub function be used as a sort-of rudimentary time-stretch? I am reading the manual and am not sure if I am interpreting things correctly. if the answer is yes, do you have any demo (au or vid)? thx.

#362

I ended up picking up a Marbles on Reverb last night for a good price, so we’ll see how this treats me. Thanks for the comments!

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#363

I had O_C and liked it but ended up replacing it with Marbles, which I liked even more (the single dial to change how many notes there are in a scale is genius and the bias control is wonderful), but then ended up replacing that with Teletype and more recently augmenting that with a TXi and feel like the others were just a warm up act. Now I can build the marbles/o_c hybrid of my dreams, or indeed have a different dream sequencer for every track in my set.

That said, marbles is definitely a beautifully designed module.

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#364

Hey y’all. So, I would normally not post this here, but I’m hoping for a little guidance! I have recently got in to the EuroRack out of the love of the sounds and a desire for knobs and patch cords.

Well, I have now built this rack!

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Sourcing the modules I wanted, putting it together and all has been so fun! But, recently, I’ve run EXTREMELY low on time. The wife and I had a baby and some minor complications during the process have meant that ALL of the tasks are on me for the moment. It’s still a wonderful experience, but it means I have no time to try and get the most of this. This is all to say “could someone help me fast track the eurorack on boarding process??”

There’s a few random things that I would appreciate some tips on!

  1. when using something like “Awake” on the crow, how would I go about tuning my Mangroves and rings/clouds to my JF?

  2. What are some good tricks for getting longer sustained notes in conjunction with a single sequencer? Is it worth maybe using awake and a Turing Machine style TT script?

  3. How are people incorporating something like the OP-Z in to their build outs? I’ve had this wonderful tool for a while, but haven’t had a chance to truly dig in to combining it with the Rack.

I have MANY more questions, but figured I’d start here, since again, my life has been slightly turned upside down (happy as a clam, just a bit overwhelmed and looking to maximize free time and get good returns on my 30 min or hour that’s occasionally free.

Also, if any folks have some YouTube playlists of stuff they found educational in terms of this onboarding process, I’d REALLY appreciate any direction I can get! Watching YouTube and other videos is one of the few things I can do whenever right now. Hahah

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#365
  • Leave your rack on for 15-20 minutes for your analog modules (Mangrove, Sisters) to temperature-stabilize.
  • Patch Mangrove’s pitch input to your sequencer first, its pitch will often shift a bit when patched to a fixed voltage.
  • If you also want to sequence Rings, Clouds, or Sisters, you can patch to the V/8 inputs on these next.
  • Put all Just Friends knobs at noon, set to SUSTAIN and SOUND, and execute:
JF.MODE 1
JF.TR 1 1

if Teletype is your I2C leader, or

ii.jf.mode(1)
ii.jf.trigger(1, 1)

for crow. You should now have a reference tone at middle C being output from Just Friends’ IDENTITY output that you can tune your other modules to by ear.

Depends a bit on what you’re going for, but TR.TOG 1 is a nice simple way to get a gate that’s the length of the space between two incoming triggers. Also note that you can patch to Just Friends’ trigger inputs when in Synthesis mode to (re)trigger notes, and by adjusting or modulating TIME and INTONE you can get a variety of envelope shapes.

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#366

the Z is an excellent midi sequencer - i recommend finding some way to send it to the modular (oplab module, midi to cv converter, etc) and exploring the step components.

#367

I’ve been using the OPLab quite a bit. I need to explore the step components, especially the beat repeat portion. I’ve been looking for ways to create more note based texture and having the beat repeat would be helpful. I remember you mentioning something about how to get the step components working through the CV Channel. I’ll explore that once I have some time.