#468

I do really want to experiment with am and audio rate panning so thats why I put in the xpan. But switching it out does save a lot of room. Ill think about it. Thanks for your input.

#469

Cold Mac would give you audio rate panning as well, for slightly less real estate and more additional functionality.

Or even smaller, a Ladik A-410 or Doepfer A-134-2.

Or: you could use Maths and that dual VCA for audio rate panning. Or even the Disting, I expect.

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#470

Wow cold mac looks pretty insane. It also would serve some functionality that I was going to use maths for. What would you think about saving some HP with cold mac + ALMā€™s 4hp attenuverter and pip slope instead of maths?

#471

I have the ALM O/A/x2 and it can be handy in a pinch but it is a bit tedious to work with. The knobs are very small and it can be difficult to completely zero out the offsets. Working with such a small case though, youā€™ll have to take a few trade-offs no matter what you choose.

Have you looked into Happy Nerdingā€™s modules at all? Theyā€™re really nice for small systems, using dual concentric pots frees up a lot of space so they tend to do a lot more than other modules of the same size. 3xMIA is excellent, and you might be especially interested in their new Dual xFade module which gives you two linkable or independent crossfaders with onboard bias and bipolar CV control in 4hp, which is some seriously dense utility!

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#472

Iā€™ve never actually used Pip Slope, but the lack of ability to control the curvature (without self-patching through external attenuators) or use it as a slew are marks against it IMHO. Though if youā€™re not too picky about adjustable slew rate, Cold Mac can handle that part.

Iā€™d be more inclined to go for the Joranalogue Contour 1 than Pip Slope, though.

Other options Iā€™d consider for a small case would be Stages (+ Shades or similar), or Zadar. Though to be honest, I think Maths is a pretty good setup in terms of functionality per HP and cost.

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#473

Not sure what the modulation depth is, that ColdMac expects. Pip puts out 5 volt envelopes which is good for digital counterparts, but in my experience sometimes limiting with analog modules like Mangrove, where you generally need 7-8 volts or more to fully modulate all parameters.

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#474

I think happy nerdingā€™s attenuverters might fit nicely !

Considering some of the alterations above, I have made some potential changes and am still looking into the functionality of some of these new modules but its starting to look like a very full-featured little rig! I had to take out maths, but cold mac could handle some of the logic and my audio panning, and while zadar would give me lots of looping envelopes which looks great for such a small package. With the extra room from cutting some of the larger modules, I should be able to fit in a small effects module!

#475

Good to look out for! Thanks

#476

One big issue about Pip Slope is that with CV patched into decay or release the knobs act as attenuators which is a really strange choice for an envelope generator IMO. A common patch for a vc envelope is to use a bipolar cv to modulate either attack or decay time, which you canā€™t do with pip slope unless you use an external offset. Unless ALM is imagining using a sequencer to modulate the envelope length, I canā€™t think of a good reason to design it this way, and even then itā€™s a weird choice because you could achieve the same effect by setting attack or decay to minimum.

Sorry, rant over.

(edited to be slightly less negative)

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#477

That is very strange, along with lack of curvature cv slew, and issues with +5 and +10v scaling seems like a bad option even with very small footprint. I think the rant is well deserved haha!

#478

Anybody know of a triple or quad sample & hold module other than O_C? I need one to use in tandem with my Lightplane, so the X, Y, and Z outputs can hold their values after each gate pulse instead of dropping to 0 as notes ring out.

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#479

Stages would do it.

Or Teletype + TXi :slight_smile:

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#480

Hmmm so many of my searches keep leading back to Stagesā€¦ I suppose I should just go ahead and get one, I love the overall patch-programmy design of it but I just despise those mini pots at the top. I wish someone would do the opposite of the usual Mutable clone shrink-job and make a larger version of the thing with full sized pots :laughing:

But it would solve the S&H issue and give me more envelopes since I returned my Zadar.

#481

If youā€™re into DIY, Jinx might be a good option. Itā€™s 3 of the s&h section from Kinks.

https://pushermanproductions.com/product/mutated-jinx-pcb-anodized-black-aluminium-antumbra-panel-set/

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#482

Iā€™m thinking about doing a small pcba (ie complete module) run of Jinx soon to raise money for cave rescueā€¦ (itā€™s an 0603 board but quite dense)

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#483

This section of the manual makes it sound like you might not need the extra steps. I could be wrong though, I do not own that module.

HOLD*Mode
Without having your finger on the matrix pad press the MODE capacitive
buttton. The MODE LED will light as the HOLD mode is entered. Same as above
but the CV value is held when you whitdraw your finger. Instant control surface
for VCFs VCAs and any other CV controllable stuff in your modular. Again the Z
axis being connected to the pressure on the matrix will ā€˜diminishā€™ as you take
the finger out of the matrix. The faster you are to take the finger off the higher
the Z output will remain. Tap on the MODE again to back up to LIVE mode. In
HOLD mode the LEDs on the sides of the matrix will light up as the voltages
output changes. There is no indication of the Z>axis output voltage. In this mode
the GATE output will be ON all the time.

#484

Honestly, two A-148s would be the cheapest option if you donā€˜t mind their singular use case.

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#485

It doesnā€™t work because the gate is held open while hold mode is on. I have no idea what their thinking was with thatā€“it essentially just renders the jack useless in that mode. The way Iā€™m using the Lightplane is as a striking surface to trigger notes, with the X, Y, Z outputs controlling various aspects of the tone. The problem is those values drop right back to 0 after releasing the surface, so any tails on my notes get messed up unless I send them through S&Hā€™s first.

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#486

Is there such a thing as a smaller Maths?

#487

Please send me a PM if the project comes to fruition! Iā€™m not sure yet what option Iā€™m going to go with but the Jinx looks like a good one.

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