i couldn’t take 4 inputs and mix them into 2 outputs? that’s kind of what i was thinking of eventually… i was looking at the small yamaha preamp mixers. i’m expecting these mic outputs to be kind of unpredictable so i was already thinking having a totally separate pre-modular mixer would be useful.

Oh yeah totally, 4 to 2 would be standard. I was just thinking 4 to 4, ie if you were just using the pre-amps on the mixer, would be a little harder to find in a budget mixer.

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If you have Max for Live you can use CV tools

Unfortunately I don’t. It’s the Lite version which came in bundle with my audio interface. But even if I had one, my final goal is to spend less time with a computer.
ElectricaNada, kveye (and all) - I keep an eye on Stages and probably I’ll choose it because I know it a bit from VCV Rack and I like its interface. So this is a module #1. Do you think the second module should have something to do with clok stuff maybe?

Just as a notice, Stages interface feels really different in real life compared to vcv.
Stages can be both clock and clock divider/multiplier. If you want a dedicated one take a look at tempi or Pam’s new workout.
I have Pam’s but came to dislike menus, so thinking about changing it to tempi.
I’d look at mimeophon or morphagene as last module. Arbhar and Nebulae are also worth looking at.

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Stages interface feels really different in real life compared to vcv

Why? I think it can feel only better, you know, ten fingers vs. one mouse button.

I don’t mean it as better/worse, just different. You are right about 10 fingers, though stages is not a big module at all. Also faders are a bit touchy and cables are at the bottom and sometimes get in the way (but with eurorack they always do:)).
I found Math to be much more usable for envelopes that I would tweak on the fly.
Strength of stages is it can be patched as a lot of different things

I have many clocks, including Pam. I don’t enjoy Pam because of the menus. QCD is the easiest and most fun.

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How does it compare to Tempi?

I don’t have Tempi, but QCD appears much easier to use than Tempi. Tempi is probably more bang for the buck/hp though.

Tempi is always running and has functions buried behind arcane button combos.

For me, the shallow, easily navigated menus of Pam’s are much friendlier than having to memorize odd button combos and use dummy cables to stop the clock.

We’re all different.

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I’ll defer to @909one on the mixer questions, as far as envelope followers I use Cold Mac for this (a great multi-tool for small systems in my limited experience!). I can say if you’re interested in the DIY route there’s an NLC env follower and Dynamo from bastl instruments (which crams a couple other utilities in too). Doepfer one mentioned by 909one I’m sure is good too, all three of these companies I have good experiences with, albeit not those specific modules — the NLC and Bastl you might more easily be able to fit two of into your system for two separate channels of premixed contact mics, plus the DIY aspect. :slight_smile: The plankton one looks good, the main difference from Ears or the NLC one is the lack of gate/trigger out. May or may not matter to you but I could imagine that being useful for use with the sampler? I’m not sure though just hypothesizing.

There’s also the Bastl instruments’ ‘Kong’ which I also don’t have experience with but could be interesting now that I’m thinking about it, and has 2 channels in 5hp… I haven’t found any examples of it being used with piezo mics sending in audio but it should be able too… might require more research or an email to bastl… As with a lot of bastl stuff they seem to have been putting a lot of modules that seemed interesting to them out into the world without necessarily fully explaining how it might be useful to other people :stuck_out_tongue: most of the examples are with drum pads but there’s an audio output and piezo mics are name-checked in the manual… anyways I might be overemphasizing envelope followers and stuff for your use case, it’s just the thing that jumps to mind for me! Probably you’re best off following your instincts and seeing how things go from there!

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i still don’t feel like i understand cold mac at all but i really like everything about the mannequins ethos/approach. i’ll keep looking into that!

i had the same thought regarding gates - they could be really useful, not only into the sampler but to ping things from crow or ansible.

yeah this is all very early planning stages! i’m starting small and building slow, i just wanted to share my possible goal build and get advice to see if i was on the right track. i don’t have the budget to buy all of this right now, luckily!

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Time to officially call out a module maker who created big problems for me twice and is not responding to emails or Facebook messages:

Klavis.

I have an A-100 84hp 9u with PSU2. The NoDrain is supposed to convert 12v to 5v and put it back in the bus. The first one fried my two 5v modules (SuperSynthesis CEM3328LPF and Dove Audio Waveplane). The second one seemed fine: wary of what happened before, I tested it by plugging it into a bus with no other modules plugged into it. The 5v LED lit up fine so I hooked the other modules on that rail back up. When I flipped it back on, the 5v LED on the bus was not lit and neither 5v module worked AND two modules that were on that bus are all messed up: Abstract Data Octocontroller and Befaco Rampage. The Octocontroller just has LEDs blinking wildly on it and the Rampage has every LED lit solid and doesn’t respond to knob, switch, or slider changes.

If someone from Klavis is reading this, hey, I’ve tried emailing and writing you on Facebook. What gives? This thing is junk (2-for-2 junk in my experience) and that also sucks because I love your Twin Waves and wanted to buy another until these NoDrains kept on failing AND KILLING OTHER MODULES.

If anyone here knows someone from Klavis, tell them they need to get in touch.

[Shout-out to Luigi @ Luigi’s Modular Supply and Paula @ Dove Audio for providing excellent customer support as I’ve gone through this.]

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Wow that really sucks when one of your modules kills another one of your modules. Sounds like it’s time to move on from that one altogether. Thanks for the heads up.

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If you’re on MW, “Zentek” is Eric from Klavis. He’s pretty active there but hasn’t logged on in the last 5 days, for what it’s worth.

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I use my OP-Z with a Hermod in various ways. The OP-Z is really handy to take everywhere and compose. I use these ‚notes‘ then to trigger Eurorack or Midi in my system via Hermod. Since Hermod can record these phrases and ‚remix’ them, its really powerful. The OP is cool also to perform keychanges or the Midi fx thingie. Its become my main Sequencer😃

I use the usb midi connection into host input of the Hermod, so no TE cv/gate-midi breakout. Its really easy to setup when you get rid of the usb noise thats going on when plugged into my case.
Another module that takes usb hosts is the Endorphi.es Shuttle control. No sequencer there but you could have 16 outs from your host device. Hermod and the OP is a perfect match.

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I’m not on MW – I think there’s some user rights thing there or something where I can’t post. If you wouldn’t mind pinging him for me, I’d appreciate it. Just have him check his email for one from Micah from back in December. Thanks.

I’m using an FH-2 and an OP-1 but would love to know what your solution was to get rid of the noise. Certain routings are still really noisy for me. Crazy to hear it’s still an issue on the Z!!

The problem is charging via USB. You can turn off that option on the Z which is great!

Ohhh right I knew that but keep forgetting to turn it off!! With my current setup it only seems to be a problem when I also have an ipad connected so I’ve just been skipping it.