#1531

I’ve really liked the Black Hole because of all the CV triggers. The idea was to use it also as a multifx for just about anything, but I can totally see the outboard choice. So in general people would prefer outboard fx even when the modules have CV possibilities? Great hint on the H9, it has MIDI as well!

#1532

The center of the system coupé seems to be the sampler. That’s why I thought about the Moog(s) with an “eurorack expansion”. But please don’t get me wrong, the idea is still very intriguing. If you guys could give me more info on why, I am all ears!

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#1533

You probably don’t need the outs module.

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#1534

Yeah, for that money you can get the MN Tape & Microsound. It includes Morphagene, which is a sampler and much more.

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#1535

i mean do you really want the Moogs? I have no opinion on them but if that’s what you are excited to work with, don’t let me talk you out of it. I’m really excited by the Squid rn and think the Coupe is a really fun looking system so yeah, that’s me talking you up.

you can get Moogs, work with them for a bit, and decide what you want to expand with.

if you are really looking to get into a small system with sampling capabilities, a good oscillator, a good filter, Pams, whatever the heck it is you use Quaid for, MIDI integration, cool panels = Coupe.

do i think Salmpling the Moog instruments would make a fun system? yep. do I think that, under a budget constraint doing it all at once is necessary? nope.

this:

is also just as good of a suggestion.

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#1536

@kveye always insightful. @renegog and @baleen, strong points you got there! Thank you. @ElectricaNada MN T&M also has math on it :open_mouth: awesome!
I’ll look deeper into it, don’t try to do all at once bc of the budget also a great point.

#1537

If you want Moog clone stuff in Euro, AJH seems pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGpg3bbcHtg.

Subharmonicon seems to be of the same lineage as the Voyager, which has a harder, more brittle sound. There is a different lineage (of circuits) with the Sub 37/Grandmother/Matriarch which seems slightly smoother/warmer. Anyway it’s important to listen to demos and see what if anything the difference means to you. I know the latter semi-modulars might not be the right form factor, which is why I recommend checking out AJH…

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#1538

I don’t have much to add to what’s been said above. I don’t know your background with modular synths, but starting with a focus and some patience pays up.
My little piece of advice: listen to plenty of demos and see which sounds you like the best. Going with complete systems leaves out the anxiety of overthinking whether you’ve made good choices or not. And both those systems look super fun.

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#1539

What about Maths? Anyone see that anywhere (that isn’t $400)? I can’t find it

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#1541

haha thats crazy. thanks man. i used to pride myself on my ability to find things online. guess i need to learn what the good modular retailers are

*speaking of maths, this seems like it could handle at least half of it’s functions, right? thinking of just grabbing one of these for now, maybe another one down the line but i dont want to cheap out if it’s not going to have the same functionality (also i only have 84hp):

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#1542

I’m not pressing you, but you skip the part about your interest in eurorack. Without it our advices are going to be more and more about our preferences :slight_smile:
It’s perfectly ok to just want to try Eurorack, in this case knowing your preferences in other gear or workflows help.
System coupe and Tape and microsound are both looking very capable, and also have very different focus. Coupe might be a lot of menu diving to one, and MN tape system might be too experimental(as it lacks precise control or modules that are easy for building something conventional).

If I was building a new system my line of thoughts would be:

  • Decide on type of sound source I like: oscillator, sampler, looper, granular
  • Sources other than oscillators need input - I’d get something with either live input or simplest file management or with visual interface
  • Modulation sources - something that is hands on and itself can be modulated
  • Filter - easy way to change your sound. Lots of options and choice is very personal.
  • Sequencing and clocking - largely depends on the choices made above, generally I’d choose between “deep set and forget” or “easy to make changes on the go”
  • Effects - this is similar to sound sources and largely personal. YouTube demos are a good help here. I’d prefer something that is easily tweakable, no menus, lots of modulation options.
  • Output module in case I want to be sure system safely interfaces with other gear ( for Norns :slight_smile: )
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#1543

what about this? doesn’t make a whole bunch of sense for such a small rack, but its most of the things i’ve wanted i think. then when i expand to a bigger case, get muxlicer, ripples 2020, erica synths black wavetable, lubdah, befaco a*b+c, pnw, cascade, plonk, stages, tides. i left the discarded modules cropped in to give a glimpse into my thought process

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i don’t know anything about that 2hp filter, but it fit and is multimode. really wanted a prism, mum m8, qpas, or ripples but the rene doesn’t allow for it currently

#1544

You could save a lot of cash and hp by replacing Rene with a Korg SQ-1. I know they are very different but at least it would get you sequencing.

#1545

the thing about the rene is that i want a sequencer that has a random element to it. i like the cartesian aspect. i have been searching for a sequencer i like for a long time. i have the norns, and midi to cv on my rack. i have the octatrack and the digitone. i have ableton and vcv rack. so technically i have sequencers. and i like kria and less concepts and similar scripts. but my idea of what i want to do with the modular setup is kind of abstract except i know that i like non-linear sequencing and i like making random generative patterns with logic utilities and modulators. i just think having something like the rene would be really fun and maybe finally satisfy my desire for an open, complex, random sequencer that isn’t tied to a midi clock. in vcv rack, my favorite sequencers besides the crazy random ones like marbles or geodesics Ions or gate sequencers like greyscale algorhythm were the rene emulations. i like having multiple rate inputs and being able to change or randomize direction. i feel like it would be a cool source for triggers too maybe. a marbles clone or something like qubit bloom might be smaller, but i want a little more control than a turing machine, which is possible with my o_C anyway

i get your point though. i don’t know a lot about the sq-1 but i feel like that would be redundant in a similar way but without the cool features im currently missing. i could be missing something though. i scrapped the hermod idea for similar reasons even though im sure its amazing. the norns can handle those types of things. i want to be free from the master clock. and the used v1 renes are around $240, which i think is excellent

i guess the problem with this particular setup is that for my complex/euclidean type sequencing ideas to work, i would need more than one voice. the nebulae has a vco mode, but its not something i would use in a composition normally

#1547

I hear you! I have both a Rene 1 and 2, and Ableton and crow with the m4l devices and a MOTU Ultralite with Ableton cv tools.

But the SQ-1 can be had for under a hundred bucks and it has random and step skip and mono “keyboard” like capabilities plus it can be used as a simple 2-channel midi to cv converter

I have 2 of them, in part because I have an old MS-20 that needs hertz/volt pitch cv and the SQ-1 is built for that…

Anyway I’m not discouraging Rene at all, merely pointing out another option :sunglasses:

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#1548

Getting an SQ1 now and adding a Rene later is a good route. Even if you pick up another sequencer at some point the SQ1 is just a great utility. It’s very handy to have as a “Stored Voltage” controller like the four pads in a Buchla 218.

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#1549

Mimetic Digitalis might be an option – sort of a mini Rene in its grid setup. I found I didn’t really enjoy just having one encoder rather than a set of pots, but the 2-dimensional stepping and CV. addressing were fun.

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#1550

@Starthief Yeah I think I agree, thanks for the suggestion though

@eblomquist no I understand, I appreciate the feedback

@hermbot I didn’t know it was a midi to cv controller. That’s cool, but I just sold my circuit mono station which had the really nice Novation sequencer and had pitch, gate, clock, cv mod out, preset note “morphing” (random), reverse/ping pong playback and variable gate and velocity sequence pages. I just never used it. Also sold the 0-coast which converted midi to cv. Those things are handy but as far as I know the Rene seems like the most fun. Im sure there are more out there that are similar or better I’m just not aware of them

Thanks for the advice

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#1551

Just adding that you can also use the sq-1 as a two channel, playable clock sequencer for Rene’s x and y axes.

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