Indeed possible but only a single pitch CV and gate I believe. You couldn’t for instance sequence multiple voices in free poly mode just a single voice. You could though sequence the deterministic chord mode with a single channel.

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After all the covid related chaos im finally getting out of the city for a few weeks.
Im such a hoarder …i started thinking about bringing with me this and that and ended up bringing this that i actually need to learn, and that will be benefitial when i come back. Feel like having (fun) summer homework.
I nailed it down to this small cases so i can move them around, use them independently or all together (i doubt my kids will let me)

The case with the distings has a disting midi out on the 1u row, with a 3u to 1u adapter.

So much to learn!

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You probably shorted something when the 2hp swung around. I would recommend trying one module at a time to discern the extent of the problem.

Are there indicator LEDs on the power board in the case? I’ve had dead -12V or +5V rails which cause weird issues like you describe.

If possible, try your modules one-at-a-time in a different case. It is unlikely that more than one item is damaged.

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I hope so, thanks.

I don’t have another case. I did try powering the o_C with a usb cable like I do when flashing the firmware and it seemed normal but it shut off after a little, so I don’t know what that’s about but it probably wasn’t a good test.

My case doesn’t have led Indicators for power at all. I will try going one at a time. when I put them back in the case, I rearranged them so they weren’t powered in the exact same spots as before

As a precaution: please do not power the uO_C via USB and euro power simultaneously! There is a risk of creating a short (depending on the module’s construction).

I didn’t do that, it was just the usb. Thanks for the reminder and advice

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A while back someone had posted a module that was basically four giant knobs, possbily for offset / attenuversion duties. I can’t for the life of me find it, does that ring a bell with anyone?

It sounds like the Music Thing Modular Control which is currently in prototype phase. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/music-thing-modular-control

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That was it, thanks. Can’t wait, I want two of them.

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That looks like fun. I’d love to have 2 of those side-by-side in their own box, USB powered.

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This kind of thing is very tricky to troubleshoot from a distance, especially when the user is a eurorack neophyte.

It still sounds like a case issue. I’d hold fire on the 2HP until you get a fully-functioning case to try it in.

I’m unfamiliar with the case, but if you are handy then perhaps you can work with the manufacturer to replace the bus board. If no, then an RMA might be your best option.

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If you use switching power supply, consider putting your “audio” modules as far away as you can from it to avoid noise problem s. Put your lfo/CV modules near it.
I think this was an advice from Robert rich but I can’t remember for certain

thanks for the help jones, i think i’ll just replace the case and see if they work in that. i appreciate it

Interested in learning a bit more about Triangle vs Saw core VCOs. I’ve been building out my system and at the moment, don’t have any analog oscillators (ohhh the horror). Overall, I’ve been fine with that, but have been thinking about adding another oscillator, and wanted to go the analog route. I’ve been eyeing the WMD/SSF Spectrum oscillator. I’m just a bit confused about the differences between the cores.

I’ve done my research, so I think I get the difference academically (how they reset, triangles are better for sine waves but you can get sine waves from either one, differences in FM and sync). But can anyone talk me through how that translates to sound. I’ve watched videos of both the dixie II+ and the spectrum (which seem like the two fundamental options tbh), and I’m not totally hearing a difference. I feel like everyone says that triangle will do FM “better” and sine waves “better” but the FM and sine wave sounded fine in the spectrum video.

So what’s the deal? Would either kind of core be better for my system (included below), which has plaits, maths, disting, and stages as my primary FM sources? I’m not super familiar with syncing, how should I think about that? Anyone really love or hate spectrum?

modular grid (i also have a forbidden planet that I’ve taken out, but am considering finding a spot for):

Technically the difference is that a saw core charges then fully discharges the capacitor whose PD is used as output (which is the core of the oscillator and used to generate, or shaped into other waveshapes). The triangle core oscillator flip-flops the charging voltage polarity meaning the up and down ramps are both “charging” events.

Regarding a sine wave in particular, effectively all you do is filter a triangle wave. Obviously a triangle core Oscillator directly outputs a triangle wave, so let’s talk about how a saw core Oscillator is shaped into a triangle. Effectively you flip the lower half of the triangle and offset/amplify the result into the triangle shape. If the saw and triangle were “mathematically accurate” then the resulting triangles would be identical. In reality the ramp on the cores are not perfectly linear. This means that in a saw core the upper and lower half of the waves have quite different profiles. The outcome is that the triangle resulting from the saw core is less symmetric than the one produced by the triangle core. This means that the triangle or sine from a saw core are less symmetric, and further from mathematically precise than those from a triangle core.

Regarding sound, I think it can be summarised as “greater asymmetry means more harmonic content”. It’s easy to think of harmonic content as good, but the typical goal in Oscillator design is to create the mathematically prescribed waveforms. You can therefore think of the asymmetry as harmonic distortion. Harmonic distortion manifests as energy away from the fundamental. This means that for the same peak amplitude you get a “weaker fundamental”. Sonically you can think of saw as having more buzz.

As for FM, the key to understanding it is that FM creates side bands based on the harmonic content of the waves involved. The greater symmetry and lesser harmonic content of the triangle core waves reduce the harmonics in the source waves and hence the number/strength of side bands; conversely saw waves result in more harmonics in the source waves and hence side bands. This means that you get stronger side bands (and comparably weaker fundamental) in the resulting wave and less controllable harmonic content from a saw core. In other words FM from a triangle core is usually easier to tame and use musically.

As for a digital oscillator it’s trivial to make mathematically accurate waveforms. Moreover the waveforms they output are sometimes VA (meaning designed to emulate analogue oscillators): they could be “precise” if desired.

So now the question as to which is better? Well in this sense better is a matter of opinion. If the goal is mathematically precise then digital is the way. If you want lots of asymmetry and harmonics, then saw core might work; triangle sits in the middle ground. FM (linear or exponential) is another point of comparison, as is spectrum of the waveforms. In the end I think you’ll have to think about how you intend to use it (musically) and hence decide which you prefer the sound of in that context.

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I’m looking for a small (2-4hp) module with multiple oscillators that are tuned to each other. Does this exist?

Basically, looking for independent CV control over the 3 oscillators with independent outputs, if possible. Something with like 3 CV jacks and 3 output jacks and maybe 1 frequency knob would be ideal. I would like to be able to make chords and drones without having to independently tune 3 large oscillator modules.

Have you looked at the Acid Rain Chainsaw?

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I may be missing something here, but this reminds me of Three Sisters a bit…

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This is an awesome write up! Definitely helps to connect how some of what I’ve been reading actual translates into something musical. It’s tough because on paper, the Dixie seems like it’ll be more “useful.” It can get that symmetry, has both the flip and hard sync triggers, and definitely seems high quality. But the videos I’ve seen of the WMD spectrum just sound so good to me. I haven’t really built an east coast or west coast rack; I’ve got a few filters, and then have disting for somve wavefolding to add harmonic content, so it’s a wash there. I’ll have to think on it a bit more. Thanks again!