You’ll want a DC-coupled interface that works with iOS. I think MOTU makes some.

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The M2 and M4 are dc-coupled but work with usb-c iPads as far as I can tell… which gives me a nice excuse to get a new ipad😎

I think the suggestion to slow down is a good one. Irrespective of money, every module you buy has a cognitive and spatial cost. Moreover, unless you intend to copy someone else’s setup, you don’t know what you lack. You’ve already said it’s for live and studio which implies a lack of focused intent for the system. I would do two things before pulling the trigger on the modules.

  1. Think carefully about what (in specific musical terms) you want to achieve.
  2. Use the three Moog system extensively (and ideally exclusively) for a few months.

If modular is the way to get to your musical goals, I suggest first deciding on live or studio for the rack. In particular a live rig may be able to work in the studio but has to stand alone (so I think this is your intended direction). The first suggestion above is intended to help avoid filling a rack with cool modules that end up not supporting your goals or forming a coherent system: think about your end goal with every purchase (unless you’re end goal is to have lots of cool modules). The latter is about guiding your design with experience and need.

With your three Moogs you can make music standalone: there is no inherent deficiency so you don’t need to augment it. Once you start making music and performing that setup you’ll get a clearer understanding of how you like to work and what you feel yourself missing. As a rule I’d say try to wait at least a couple of months between modules purchases. Specifically, use your system for a couple of months before asking: what is holding me back from making the music I want. This may be nothing (best case), a specific function (which you can find a module to fulfill or figure out to get from what you have) or something more fundamental (you want to work in a different manner). Either way, that waiting period will help you guide your purchases and refine your design.

Another risk in buying modules as a set (without clear musical intent for each) is that it tends to be hard to let them go. Every module you get rid of can feel like an opportunity lost. The result can be a hoarding mentality: starting another case for cast offs, then four cases down the line, finally realising what you wanted in the first place. Taking your time can help you figure out what and how you’ll perform and incrementally walk toward that ideal musical setup (modular or otherwise). Designing that setup is an iteration and the music you make a collaboration between you and the machine you design: design it with care, to be uniquely yours.

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That is my journey nearly exactly. I’ve been doing modular for a little while and am only now starting to understand my system, what works, what doesn’t, and what I should have never bought in the first place.

One of the things I’ve learned the hard way is no matter how amazing a module is, if it has functionality hidden behind a button press or menu, I don’t use it. I think this is a symptom of not having enough time to focus on music as much as I’d like as this is only a hobby for me. So with it taking third place in my life, I can’t memorize what each LED color or luminosity denotes, and I just reach for a different module. Knowing that in advance would have saved me SO much time and money. I could have better planned my system from the beginning and have bought different modules, instead of saving up to replace the modules with something else.

I have two racks of modules that I can’t let go of, and will probably never use.

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I think you enlighted me all @chalkwalk, @Whinger, @killingtime, @a773
I had more technical questions for all of you, but I guess I’ll just save it for later.
I am 99% sure that I won’t regret purchases like Maths or QUAD VCA, but I get y’all point. It’s a more profound thought.
I should learn my system well first, without external augmentations (which in a way could be “distractions”). Meanwhile, I will not only understand my system like a pro but also expand my general knowledge of modular. And a few months later, I’ll have a better idea of the type of things I want. I won’t know the exact modules, but for that, I have you guys! :smiley:
I am planning for it to work standalone, but it will take time. I’ll probably keep an external mixer for a while :wink: Among other things.

The money would be an issue, lol! I’ve got lucky that I have a couple of well-connected friends that got me all the Moog gear, H9, and Rackbrute at an exceptional price. In that case, your recommendation goes double!

Well, thank you all a million times. See you in a couple of months!
I’ll be back…with Maths and QUAD VCA for sure!!
(evil laugh) hahahahahahah :japanese_ogre:

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Nah, d and d can still be fun :slight_smile:

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It is worth mentioning that modules tend to sell pretty easily and don’t depreciate massively. It’s possible to effectively “rent” modules if you’re comfortable reselling. Keep in mind that this kind of thinking can quickly lead to a lot of researching, buying, selling, and learning new modules, and not much music making (although that is a lot of fun so it depends what your goal is).

I agree with and would still advocate for the advice to take it slow (in my experience this is very hard advice to actually follow).

One of the biggest (and very basic) things that took me a while to understand is the importance of deciding whether space is actually an issue. Is this a studio setup or does it definitely need to be portable? If it is primarily a studio setup, you’ll do yourself a massive favour by just getting a bigger case so that you can avoid the temptation to get micro versions of everything. There are compromises that will need to be made to enable portability - ergonomics are important. If you end up not actually taking the synth anywhere you may end up regretting those compromises.

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One thing I’d like to bring up that for a case that size, you might want to consider a 1U row. There’s a lot of utilities, effects etc. that save you 3U rack space – I’ve really enjoyed the options 1U has provided.

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What are your patching and unpatching strategies for your modular synth?

I mostly use Doepfer cables and all of them have a color/length relationship, so I know exactly what cables are longer and what are shorter. For me, this is the quickest way to manage the cables. Talking about unpatching, I tend to place them in order, by colors, in my cable holder (a gift from Ladik) so I have it all well organized. What’s your strategy for cable management of your modular synth?

Patch notes:
-Mutable Instruments Plaits in particle noise model
-Doepfer Noise and Mutable Instruments Ears for the random triggers
-ALM Pamela New Workout and Xaoc Devices Zadar for modulation
-Happy Nerding FXAid for reverb FX
-Xaoc Devices Praga and Befaco STMix for mixing

My modular synth: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1270259

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I would qualify this statement by saying it is easier to sell modules when they are “hot” or relatively rare, but the resale prices tend to be less stable for common modules, less “cool” brands (Doepfer), or when a new version of a popular module comes out.

Definitely agree with this - full-sized eurorack modules are small enough as it is!

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resale prices tend to be less stable for common modules, less “cool” brands (Doepfer), or when a new version of a popular module comes out.

Agreed - and it follows that you should buy that class of modules second hand to reduce the potential losses!

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For me the key here is focus on actually making music. Amazing amounts of music can be made with even a quite small system, and an equally amazing amount of time can be spend on modulargird. Let your music help you decide what to buy, not what other people have in their racks or the next best thing.

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I’ve just started getting into modular so this is something I’m curious about: where do people sell their modules? Obviously we have the buy/sell forum here, but do people use other places?

Reverb.com, and the Muffwiggler buy / sell sub-forum are other popular ones.

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To disabuse the notion that Clouds has to be pretty: I took delivery today of a Typhoon and I may have summoned an eldritch something?

The basic patch is simply a cross-modulated DPO into an Optomix controlled by Maths. Pitch by Wogglebug. That went into the Typhoon, and all of the major four parameters are being adjusted by a Sloths. Typhoon was in regular granular mode.

It’s the vocal-like effects that made me get a recording in a panic. At 0:33, some demon says “wish”, I swear.

It starts 100% wet, then I bring in some of the original sound for reference. At the end I fade it out to 100% dry so you can hear the input. This is a spooky supercut from about 10 minutes of material:

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Wear a clove of garlic around your neck while listening to that one.

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Holy 20 characters of shit that’s some creepy stuff. Proper chills and all that.

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I have a tin full of those 3.5mm-to-¼" headphone adapters. Very cheap and although they’re nominally stereo, they work equally well on mono plugs.

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The time has now come to discuss /ˈstradəjē/.

My /ˈstradəjē/ for cable management includes two important locations:

  1. On the floor.
  2. In the basket.

The cables on the floor appear after un-patching the modular synthesizer. They originated in the basket.

When I want to patch again, I will sometimes use the cables on the floor and sometimes replace them in the basket before patching.

The black cables all measure 2 feet. The black cables cost peanuts from some electronics distributor (non-synth). The stackables measure one foot. The orange cables came from CTRL and have various short lengths. The other cables (colorful, mismatched) appeared somehow over the years.

My /ˈstradəjē/ has never failed me though it may not work for you. I have seen various comb-like devices with cables hanging from them. This is not my way. I work on the floor with the basket and the modular synthesizer.

Thereby I exhort my /ˈstradəjē/ for cable management of my modular synth.

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New percussive thingy from Endorphin.es

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