#60

The deluxe looks AMAZING. Can’t justify the upgrade at the moment. But if it takes after the little one it’ll be a fabulous pedal.

Edit to add: have also salivating over Mooer’s Ocean Machine

Price is below £200 now. Seems like a bargain. 2xdelays, reverb and a looper. Reroutable however you want internally!

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#61

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space case te-2 is open for pre-orders. i really like the idea of 8 sets of 3 parameters that can be selected with either buttons or sequenced.

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#62

Maybe for you it is! :wink: I don’t see anything on the website, and I haven’t gotten any emails about it.

#63

it was in the mw thread, i think he was going to send to maillist this weekend - you can just email him spacecasetapeecho at gmail with the subject TE-2 Pre Order

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#64

It’s not directly tape delay related, but I wasn’t sure if making a new topic made sense. Maybe a “The delay thread” similar to The Reverb Thread would be nice?

Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions for a MIDI syncable stereo delay that supports ping-pong?
The difficulty seem to be in finding this in a small desktop format for a reasonable price (ideally < 150 EUR). So far it seems mainly the big/do it all digital delay pedals (Timeline, DD-500, etc) are the only options, but those are pretty expensive. The OTO Machines BIM could also be an option, but that’s even more expensive :frowning:
In rack-mount format there seem to be more choices, like the TC Electronic M300, but I don’t have space for a rack.

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#65

I really like the Nemesis Delay. You can overwrite presets with your own, and it’s got the features you were looking for. A little outta the ideal price range, but a good bit less than the Timeline, at least.

#66

just want to echo

everything’s better with tape delay

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#67

Thanks for the suggestion. I actually already looked into the nemesis and it seems to be a rather capable pedal that isn’t too big and is quiet a bit less expensive than the Timeline or BIM. Do you have one yourself?
I decided against it because of the desktop app to manage it, I run Linux and it’s only available for Windows or Mac OS so can’t use it. How essential is it in your opinion for working with the pedal?

One thing I wasn’t sure about is that it does stereo summing of the inputs before it applies the effects on the signal. See https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/21387969/ for an explanation about it.
I’m not sure how much of a bad thing this is, it seems more pedals/manufacturers do this, like for example Strymon https://www.strymon.net/faq/how-does-the-trs-stereo-input-get-processed/. I couldn’t find anything about the Timeline regarding this though.

And from a desktop organization perspective I very much prefer to have the in- and outputs at the back instead of on the sides.

#68

The timeline is true stereo, at least in some modes. But I think it works that way with all the algorithms.

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#69

I just have the app on my phone and plug that into the pedal if i want to tweak any of the patches i made (made using the phone app).

The summing to mono pre-delay hasn’t bothered me, but your mileage may vary :slight_smile:

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#70

500

first glimpse of the TE-2 Space Case

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#71

indeed

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#72

new tape echo just announced by true experts ECHO FIX

cv control over echo & feedback

preorder here:

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#73

~16:52 -ish
"…that’s kind of our formula, tape echo, and old machines that are on the verge of giving up the ghost -a.weatherall
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#74

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I’ve wanted one of these for years so finally took the plunge :sparkles:

I’m loving it so far. There is just something about tape machines that is very hard (impossible?) to replicate.

Delay time goes up to ~1.5 seconds, and the SOS function is crazy (approx 20-30 seconds loop which I assume plays back whatever is present on the tape loop before it hits the erase head).

You can also control delay time with CV (+/- 5V) but I haven’t felt the need yet (it’s nice having all that character already built and baked in rather than trying to emulate with random lfo’s, filtering, noise etc :grinning:).

It’s built like a tank. A thing of beauty that I am going to cherish :heart:

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#75

Wow, that is very tempting. What is the advantage of this $2000 unit over say a $7 ipad tape echo app? Can you really hear a difference?

#76

I don’t own one so I can’t comment on whether "you can really hear the difference’ but you also don’t need me to tell you the difference between a $7 iPad app and brand new studio hardware designed & built by an expert with tape echos… (Your question feels like disingenuous trolling, which has thankfully always been rare on this forum. Lets keep it that way. But incase I am mistaken and you are genuinely interested, maybe ask Nils Frahm, he just took delivery of two of them. Ask him why he doesn’t just use two iPads)

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#77

Please assume good faith. It’s the polite thing to do. My experience with iPad apps is very good. The Waldorf Nave sounds better than their latest hardware. The Eventide apps sound the same as the pedals. I’ve never owned or played with a tape echo, so have no reference.

What I want to know is: What is the difference between a tape echo and an emulation? Is it audible?

#78

OK apologies, and I am glad that is true.

I think a better comparison than what you make with digital plugins versus digital pedals, would be the comparison between a Buchla Music Easel and the Arturia Easel emulation plugin. Can they make ‘similar’ sounds? Perhaps. Kind of… Maybe? But is the experience of playing it the same? NOPE. Not even close. Not even in the same galaxy imho. The same result will not occur from playing an Easel emulation onscreen compared with real analog hardware. The ‘sound’ is only part of the reason why.

So for me first major difference is the experience of playing it: physical hardware, with physical knobs & controls that you touch & which respond, in the analog world. A touchscreen can not be played without looking at it (your finger might not touch the right control, and you receive no physical feedback) whereas I can play a RE201 blind and ride the point of feedback intuitively. When a knob is at max I can feel it, I don’t need to look at an iPad screen to wonder where my finger is relative to the virtual control. The head selector on 201 is also musical - once a delay is rhythmically dialed in by ear, switching the head choices & combinations is a musical experience.

Soundwise, its real tape with all of the characteristics that come with that. I don’t own one of these new machines but own a bunch of other tape echos (RE150, 201x2, 555, Vocu VTE2000, VTE1500) and each of them has their own character & respond uniquely. They need ongoing maintenance but with regards to your comment on price, you can easily pay $1500 for a tired RE201 which needs work, so $2k for a brand new calibrated machine with brand new heads means that price comparison is a better basis for comparison than an iPad app.

I can only speak for my own experience, but the difference when playing is as vast as that Easel comparison. For example I love Valhallas Delay plugin but the experience of using it is very different to using a 201. The 201 has no default setting, no presets, it does not have beat sync. You tune it by ear. When it feedsback & distorts it is not emulated, it is real… And each tape echo I own responds differently. To me these are all hugely positive attributes…

But only you can really answer your question. I grew up on dub reggae & bought my first 201 25+ years ago. And I will never sell it. In my opinion no plugin gets even halfway to emulating the effect of using a hardware tape delay when playing & mixing music… The difference is definitely audible because you play it differently, and it responds differently than how you would play a plugin or emulation app. The best advice I have ever been given is this: “Trust your own ears only”. So if you are interested, go rent a 201 for a weekend and see if you appreciate the differences compared to your iPad app. Maybe the differences I so appreciate don’t matter for what you do and the iPad app or Valhallas plug is all you need. YMMV…

(FWIW I did also buy the Boss ‘Space Echo’ RE20 stomp box when it was released. And I ended up selling it within a few weeks, as its emulation felt so different to a real 201. To me the difference was most apparent at more extreme settings and when approaching the point of self oscillation…I know Sean invested a lot of effort modelling exactly that territory for the Valhalla plugin and it is better… I sold my RE20 pedal to a guitarist who loves it and I replaced it with a Strymon El Capistan which felt closer in terms of sound, but still only as close as a plugin emulation in use)

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#79

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Love the spring in the 201 as well
Don’t drop it when plugged in Mr Perry!!

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